Bate's kicking may not be great, but he showed some great signs toward the end of the game like taking a great contested mark. That is what we want to see.

If Bate can keep taking those marks that we desperately need inside our 50, kicking skills can come after.

The commentators mentioned they can imagine him a 3rd tall in a premiership side. Bate`s kicking skills were pretty good today. He`s not a bad set shot, And Brad Green tell you want don`t know why he isn`t one of the competitions best players, Very underated and Aaron Davey another super performance on his way to win the bluey. Good signs in the Last quarter.

6. Davey

5. Jones

4. Bruce

3. Green

2. Morton

1. Bate

but he never really influences a match, he just teases us with glimpses of good play.

I would argue he was our most influential player today. I tossed up whether him or Davey deserved our BOG and Davey got him purely on weight of numbers.

Martin is quick for his size, but Martin's main fault is when possessing the footy he is sometimes unsure of what to do.

Stefan Martin is a star. Love him. Has been a great replacement for Garland. Just keeps getting better and better. The Backline looking very promising. Frawley did ok on Motlop and Warnock work ethic is unquestionable. Forward line weren`t in front and times. Jetta struggled but tried hard and Brad Green, Bate,Miller and Bruce all cashed in with Majors.

The commentators mentioned they can imagine him a 3rd tall in a premiership side. Bate`s kicking skills were pretty good today. He`s not a bad set shot, And Brad Green tell you want don`t know why he isn`t one of the competitions best players, Very underated and Aaron Davey another super performance on his way to win the bluey. Good signs in the Last quarter.

6. Davey

5. Jones

4. Bruce

3. Green

2. Morton

1. Bate

All Bate needs to do now is become consistent.

He needs to kick 2 or 3 goals on a weekly basis and if he can do that it will help the forward line by a long shot.

All Bate needs to do now is become consistent.

He needs to kick 2 or 3 goals on a weekly basis and if he can do that it will help the forward line by a long shot.

So does Brad Miller. Brad Green is on track to win our leading goal kicker by a long way.

My 50th post this is, since joining Demonland just 3 days ago.

6. Davey

5. Green

4. Bruce

3. Morton

2. Martin

1. Rivers

6. Frawley

5. Martin

4. Bruce

3. Green

2. Bate (for 2nd half)

1. Davey

Hon mention: Miller and Bennell

Raspberry Award: Maclean (c'mon Brock pull finger) and Johnson

6 - Davey

5 - Martin

4 - Green

3 - Bennell

2 - Morton

1 - Bruce

Stef and Meeson 2 positives, along with Bennell's dash and Rivers again getting another week under his belt.

Well I guess I'll have to concede defeat on the Bate issue.

He is an extremely frustrating player IMO, he is absolutely hopeless below his knees, and too often gets pushed aside in a marking contest. Yes he worked very hard today, and his kicking is generally very good, but he never really influences a match, he just teases us with glimpses of good play.

Well that's what young players do, tease. If Bate has a problem it's that he's so one sided. He's a good long kick, and I disagree that he's terrible below his knees, he found the ball pretty well today a number of times and turned some pretty good opponents inside out. He's not a fantastic contested mark, but he doesn't usually drop sitters either. His real strength is his endurance, he worked his way into the game today and didn't drop his head which is a big step forward from last year IMO.

6.Davey

5.Green

4.Jones

3.Bruce

2.Bate

1.Morton

Well I guess I'll have to concede defeat on the Bate issue.

He is an extremely frustrating player IMO, he is absolutely hopeless below his knees, and too often gets pushed aside in a marking contest. Yes he worked very hard today, and his kicking is generally very good, but he never really influences a match, he just teases us with glimpses of good play.

yes he usually is but today he actually got plenty there thought he worked harder today in an undermanned forward line

6 davey

5 bruce

4 green

3 morton

2 bennell

1 jones

I only listened, haven't seen much footage:

6 - Davey

5 - Green

4 - Bruce

3 - Bate

2 - Bennell

1 - Martin

6-Davey

5-Bate

4-green

3-moloney

2-bruce

1-bennel

Aaron Davey has shot to the lead in the Demonland Player of the Year Voting:

19.225 Aaron Davey

14.676 Brent Moloney

11.148 Brad Green

10.626 Matthew Warnock

9.864 Nathan Jones

8.624 Kyle Cheney

7.347 Cameron Bruce

6.825 Cale Morton

6.634 Ricky Petterd

6.122 Matthew Bate

3.543 Jared Rivers

3.214 James Frawley

2.449 Jamie Bennell

1.990 Neville Jetta

1.327 Clint Bartram

0.663 Paul Johnson

0.547 Brad Miller

Draft pick no's 3 and 5 from the 2003 draft better get a wriggle on...