Rivers - trade or keep

[Guest Vlad The Imposter]

I'd trade Rivers for 2 top ten picks OR for Buddy Franklin

that would be orgasmic

[Mono 455]

I'd trade Rivers for 2 top ten picks OR for Buddy Franklin

that would be orgasmic

Related to Y_M?

[Guest Vlad The Imposter]

Related to Y_M?

just being purely sarcastic.

we would need a fantastic deal to offload a proven performer albeit an injury prone one.

as stated previously he is of more value to us at the moment than what would be offered.

[Mono 455]

just being purely sarcastic.

we would need a fantastic deal to offload a proven performer albeit an injury prone one.

as stated previously he is of more value to us at the moment than what would be offered.

How do you know what's offered?

More value than what? = nothing for 2 years.

[Jaded No More 68,974]

Nobody will pay what he's really worth to us because of his injuries.

Trading him for a speculative second round pick will do nothing for our future. We have to hope he can get himself right, because there is no doubting that he is an absolute gun when he's fit and the possibilities of playing him up forward or as a rebounding defender are endless (especially given we're developing other defenders).

Two years in the big scheme of things is not the end of the world. Sylvia missed nearly as much football as Rivers has.

[beelzebub 23,383]

.......Trading him for a speculative second round pick will do nothing for our future. We have to hope he can get himself right,......

Possibly just me but those two things look remarkably alike. I too would like a fit and in form Rivers. I just wonder as to the likelyhood of this. Whilst we're dealing in of speculation'.....what will we be thinking if he breaks down again next year mid season..and all 'hope" of realising any value agianst him is dashed ? Its just a what if !! A what if with some history and legs !!

[Rogue 585]

Nobody will pay what he's really worth to us because of his injuries.

Maybe he's not really worth x to us because of his injuries.

It's a double-edged sword, as bb has said.

[Geddy Lee 582]

His value is at his lowest . . . . why would you trade him now? Think you guys are going a bit overboard with the whole draft pick flu that is going around. I mean look at Scott Gumbleton, before the draft he was all that, and he can't get on the park. A 2nd round draft pick (which we wouldn't get anyway) would probably be a lesser player then Rivers.

Moloney and Rivers, our 'when they're fit' brigade. Aptly abbreviated to WTF.

[Rogue 585]

His value is at his lowest . . . . why would you trade him now?

Playing devil's advocate a bit here, but his value will be lower - read 'zero' - if he fails to regain fitness next year.

That said, I can't see a trade happening.

[Eastie Boyz 0]

Hold onto him til the GC or WS teams come in. His value will go up because those teams will be after matured players

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

Playing devil's advocate a bit here, but his value will be lower - read 'zero' - if he fails to regain fitness next year.

That said, I can't see a trade happening.

He has had OP for the past two years. His trade value is significantly compromised. I cant see an upside in trading him.

Lets get him fit and on the park first.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

Hold onto him til the GC or WS teams come in. His value will go up because those teams will be after matured players

Not if he is still crippled by OP. He needs to create a trade value as his fitness has left it at zero.

[Tigers Dayz 2]

Did anyone read the Dermott Brereton article in today's HUN about the kind of players required to build a team tough enough to Flag?

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl...6-19742,00.html

I agree with their recruiting rationale, and believe MFC should adopt a similar drafting strategy rather than the usual skinny boys we take.

Rivers does not fit our requirements going forward, is too injured to fit, if not injured, not strong enough to fit.

TRADE!!

[beelzebub 23,383]

Well..I'l lsay it now..If he pulls up lame after the Preseason..or cant make it through it.. then he's of no pratical value to the club whatsoever.. All the bleeding hearts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Same goes for any player that spends more time in sick bay than on the park..I ask you..what is the point..Are we runnign a footy club with spirations nursery??

I wil repeat for those that dont get it..:

A fit and in-form Rivers is an absolute gem and an assett to the team...anything less is a waste of time, money and a player spot.

[Dee tention 617]

He is young and he will get his body right. Same as for Moloney! Two long term players.

[beelzebub 23,383]

He is young and he will get his body right. Same as for Moloney! Two long term players.

How do you KNOW that ?? some NEVER get their bodies right..just IS . They both watched more games than they have played now for years !! Just how long is a reasonable time to hold someone on 100's of thousands a year ??

Makes no sense to me...An awful shame if their potential is never realised..but thats a very possibly outcome at the moment.

We need to be realistic.. not dreamy about all this !!

[Adzman 2,154]

KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP!!!

We lack leadership, and Rivo is a leader. He is a gun when fit, and worth keeping on the list.

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,939]

Rivers and fourth round draft pick to St Kilda

David Armitage and second round draft pick to Melbourne.

We would net picks 1, 17, 19, 31 and 36 plus a 200 gamer young gun in Armitage

OR

Rivers and third round draft pick to Port

Adam Thomson and Port's second round draft (22) pick to Melbourne

Option 2 would net us picks 1, 17, 19, 22 and 51. Pretty handy picks!

Please note, my preference is for Rivers to stay, but I would be open-minded if options like the above are entertained. I'm getting a little tired of some MFC players continually on the sidelines.

[Red and Blue Flame 191]

Rivers and fourth round draft pick to St Kilda

David Armitage and second round draft pick to Melbourne.

We would net picks 1, 17, 19, 31 and 36 plus a 200 gamer young gun in Armitage

OR

Rivers and third round draft pick to Port

Adam Thomson and Port's second round draft (22) pick to Melbourne

Option 2 would net us picks 1, 17, 19, 22 and 51. Pretty handy picks!

i'd do either of those

very very good trades..but only downside we lose riv

[Red and Blue Flame 191]

change thomson to bentley..cos i think we're getting bentley, its about 90% certain, so we wouldnt get thomson as well

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,939]

i'd do either of those

very very good trades..but only downside we lose riv

Would be quite a down side losing Riv, but only if he never comes good again. Sometimes you've gotta roll the dice!

[mo64 5,881]

change thomson to bentley..cos i think we're getting bentley, its about 90% certain, so we wouldnt get thomson as well

How underwhelming.... And what do we propose to give up for Bentley?

[Guest paxino27]

Have to keep, gun defender when fully fir and the guys been endorsed by Neitz himself as a potential captain. (If he can get himself on the park of course).

[Guest TheVoice]

No doubt KEEP!

The guy is class personified and when up an running is the key to our backline stability. I know its good practice to assess all possibilities but this trade is off the

table in my book. We need players of his quality, we just need to know how to get his body right.

[beelzebub 23,383]

reality check

Rivers.. 6 seasons ..played 70 of a potential 132 games. Of course this was due to injury ( and result form )

But thats the whole point

last two seasons.. 9 out of 44

Nobody wants to look at this.. its he's all class.. hes a great player..etc etc yadda yadda yada.. Yes he is..

and he doesnt get to the park !!

which bit of this escapes peoples attention ??

Sorry..the all powerful caveat...but when he's fit !! ..Just when is that ??

I would like him in the 18 as much as any... if only

trade him whilst we can. Its plain common sense.

Hindsight will validate