I've had the calculator out, and it's very much dependent on the amount of scoring tomorrow. If we score 100 points, then if we win by 18 points, then we stay on the bottom, but if we win by 19, we move to 15th. If we score 135 points (ha!), a one-point win would suffice. If we only score 75 points however, we'd have to keep Richmond to 43 to move up to 15th. You get the picture. The higher the scores, the less we have to win by to move up to 15th. In reality, we're probably looking at 2-4 goals. I'll have my phone calculator handy if we're up in the last quarter though.

Try: www.allthestats.com

Ladder predictor will do it for you.

WIN WIN WIN ... great finale WIN

Here's a timesaver guys... via the magic of excel i have calculated all the permutations for you.

Our total score, the margin required at that score, our resulting percentage, and the difference in percentage between WCE and MFC.

Print it out and bring it to the game! Show your friends! Wave it in the air when we're 4 goals up with 94 points on the board!

Please note, red shaded sections = impossible to avoid spoon.

Here's a timesaver guys... via the magic of excel i have calculated all the permutations for you.

Our total score, the margin required at that score, our resulting percentage, and the difference in percentage between WCE and MFC.

Print it out and bring it to the game! Show your friends! Wave it in the air when we're 4 goals up with 94 points on the board!

Please note, red shaded sections = impossible to avoid spoon.

And if we were to win 82 - 54 there would be a tie between Melbourne and West Coast for last place as the percentages would be identical. Interesting.

i havent supported the bottom team for the whole year for only three wins to have a team come in and take the power away from us, especially when they are trying to trade their best player for 2 top 10 draft picks.

i can only hope that we, in the last untainted draft for a while, trade for some draft picks ala the hawks

And if we were to win 82 - 54 there would be a tie between Melbourne and West Coast for last place as the percentages would be identical. Interesting.

I'd love to see what the AFL would use to designate 15th and 16th in that situation. Would it be the first team to reach the 4 wins? Highest number of points involved in winning margins? Most goals kicked?

Looking at allthestats.com:

Melb:

avg points for = 75

avg points against = 118

Rich

avg points for = 100

avg points against = 107

so if we average melb average points for vs rich avg points against and vice versa....

we get Melb 91 vs Richmond 109.

15 WCE 65.88%

16 MELB 64.83%

Surely it'd be the result of Melb V. W.C. and we'd get 15th

I'd love to see what the AFL would use to designate 15th and 16th in that situation. Would it be the first team to reach the 4 wins? Highest number of points involved in winning margins? Most goals kicked?

Looking at allthestats.com:

Melb:

avg points for = 75

avg points against = 118

Rich

avg points for = 100

avg points against = 107

so if we average melb average points for vs rich avg points against and vice versa....

we get Melb 91 vs Richmond 109.

15 WCE 65.88%

16 MELB 64.83%

I'm pretty sure the AFL has a tiebreak system whereas the two teams involved are compared with their matches played against each other. We only played once in which we won, so if such an instance occured, we would overtake WC. If we played each other twice, with one win each, it would probably be greatest winning margin or whoever scored the most points as an away team.

I'm pretty sure the AFL has a tiebreak system whereas the two teams involved are compared with their matches played against each other.

Where on Earth did you pull that from? I just reckon they'd go to the nth decimal point.

I think we'll get thumped today, but have the MFC and WCE already met?

No.1 pick is the Ace but if its already been agreed between the two clubs then the result is moot.

Or do they wait until draft camp?

I have no idea. I'm confident the "smart" people on this board already know.

Considering our greatest winning margin is 34 points and the only other two wins were by a goal or less the chances of thumping the Tiges today are pretty minimal but then I have awful memories of last game last year when we played ourselves out of our skins and won a game that normally we would never have won.

I dont know.... I want the #1 pick.. it gives us bargaining power, first choice but I want to win too so here it is... we win by a goal or two max in a thriller

Considering our greatest winning margin is 34 points and the only other two wins were by a goal or less the chances of thumping the Tiges today are pretty minimal but then I have awful memories of last game last year when we played ourselves out of our skins and won a game that normally we would never have won.

I dont know.... I want the #1 pick.. it gives us bargaining power, first choice but I want to win too so here it is... we win by a goal or two max in a thriller

A few showers to help make it a low scoring afffair would help us then. We could still win by a couple of goals and keep pick 1 (not that 1 or 2 are going to make much of a difference because we're probably not going for the same player anyway).

A few showers to help make it a low scoring afffair would help us then.

Well it's sure as hell raining right now. Hope the catchment area is the middle of the MCG!

Well it's sure as hell raining right now. Hope the catchment area is the middle of the MCG!

Not good for attendance.

Here's a timesaver guys... via the magic of excel i have calculated all the permutations for you.

Our total score, the margin required at that score, our resulting percentage, and the difference in percentage between WCE and MFC.

Print it out and bring it to the game! Show your friends! Wave it in the air when we're 4 goals up with 94 points on the board!

Please note, red shaded sections = impossible to avoid spoon.

whats the green then?? meaning we win the spoon? because in some of them they have higher percentages than weagles :S im confused

impossible to avoid ie finish 16th

This is all very silly IMO. Didn't Richmond just beat Hawthorn a fortnight ago?

This is all very silly IMO. Didn't Richmond just beat Hawthorn a fortnight ago?

That was when they still had finals aspirations. Now, knowing finals are gone, they mightn't play with as much vigour.