The Red Fox

This is based on a list that was floating around at the end of last season. Thanks to 9. David Neitz for helping update it. I'd expect about six delistings to come out of the Expires 2007 group. Brown, Ward, Warnock, Neville, Holland & Ferguson for mine. Expires 2007 David Neitz (v) Russell Robertson Byron Pickett Jared Rivers Brock McLean Brad Miller Paul Wheatley Ryan Ferguson Nathan Brown Clint Bizzell Colin Sylvia James McDonald Nathan Carroll Nathan Jones Paul Johnson Ben Holland Mark Jamar Clint Bartram Chris Johnson Simon Godfrey Daniel Ward Matthew Warnock Micheal Newton Simon Buckley Heath Neville ® Jace Bode ® Shane Neaves ® Daniel Hughes ® Daniel Hayes Expires 2008 Travis Johnstone Jeff White Adem Yze Brad Green Matthew Whelan Lynden Dunn Brent Moloney Matthew Bate Daniel Bell James Frawley Ricky Petterd Colin Garland Isack Weetra Expires 2009 Aaron Davey Expires 2010 Cameron Bruce

That's another club who will be vying with us for the best available coach in the land. It'll make the hunt interesting. Sportsbet had Voss and Ratten as the prime candidates to take over at the Blues next year. Two od Demonland's preferred choices. Reports are that either Ratten or Bradley will step in for the remainder of the season. Big opportunity for Brett. When Pagan moved from the Roos to the Blues he was considered the best in the business. Any interest in Dennis taking the helm at the Dees?

Dean Bailey – Highly regarded at Alberton, Bailey was ready to step up for Mark Williams, who was in doubt to coach in round 10. A former Essendon player, Bailey has coached Mt Gravatt in the AFLQ and was a development coach at the Bombers. He has been with Port Adelaide since 2002 and was part of the Power's history-making flag in 2004. Michael Broadbridge – Never played in the AFL, but forged a fine WAFL career with East Fremantle and Swan Districts. His early coaching highlight was leading the 1999 under-18 Western Australian team to a division-one title. He then joined Collingwood as an assistant coach under Mick Malthouse and has been a Fremantle assistant coach since 2004. Peter German – Joined Fremantle this season after a remarkable coaching record with Subiaco in the WAFL. The former Kangaroos player coached Subiaco to the 2006 premiership and achieved an 82 per cent winning record in four seasons. He started his coaching career Burnie in 1995 and was previously an assistant coach under Ken Judge at Hawthorn and West Coast. Tony Micale – Micale had great success as a coach in the WAFL. He coached East Fremantle to the flag in 1998 and then guided East Perth to three successive premierships in 2000-01-02. Micale joined West Coast in 2003 and was part of West Coast's premiership success in 2006. Brendan McCartney – If Geelong is to go all the way this season, credit must be given to McCartney for his contribution, having been an assistant coach at the Cats since Mark Thompson's first season as senior coach in 2000. Before joining Geelong, McCartney coached Ocean Grove to four consecutive premierships from 1994-97. He was also Richmond's assistant coach in 1998-99. Alan McConnell – McConnell, who played 37 matches for the Bulldogs from 1980-82, has an outstanding coaching background. He has coached at all levels of the game – including the AFL where he was Fitzroy's final coach – and he is now the head of the AIS/AFL Academy. He has also coached East Burwood at suburban level, been an assistant coach under Gary Ayres and Mark Thompson at Geelong and coached school football at Geelong Grammar. David Noble – A key man to Neil Craig at Adelaide, Noble played two matches with Fitzroy in 1991. He was an assistant coach at the Oakleigh Chargers and then coached the NSW/ACT Rams. Noble was then an assistant at the Western Bulldogs for five seasons. In 2003-04, he coached Glenelg, before being added to Craig's coaching staff when he was appointed full-time for 2005. Kelly O'Donnell – O'Donnell played 80 matches with Melbourne from 1979-84, before guiding the Murray Bushrangers to the finals six times in his eight seasons from 1993-00. He coached the Bushrangers to the 1998 premiership and joined Fremantle in 2001. Alan Richardson – With Collingwood possessing one of the biggest coaching panels in the competition, Richardson has occasionally been overlooked with higher profile assistants such as Guy McKenna at the club. But Richardson is highly respected in the industry, particularly for his development work. He has also coached in his own right, guiding East Burwood to two flags in 1999-00. Richardson was also an assistant at Richmond and the Western Bulldogs. Brad Scott – The 2001-02 Brisbane Lions premiership player may only be in his first season as an assistant coach, but already there are wraps on the former hard-nut defender/midfielder. He might be an outsider at this early stage, but down the track he looms as a senior coach in the making. A development coach at Collingwood, he has already played a key part in fast-tracking the development of Irish sensational Martin Clarke. He is a smoky in the smokies but definitely one to keep an eye on. Darren Trevena – Trevena may have only been appointed Port Adelaide's assistant/development coach at the end of 2006 season, but he was a standout junior coach guiding Northern Territory to its first under-18 title in 2002. He then coached the under-18 South Australian team. A former South Adelaide and Tasmania player, Trevena has earned plenty of plaudits via his work with some of the finest young talent in the country and will be a coach to watch out for in the future. Mark Williams – No, not the Port Adelaide premiership coach, although this Williams is no stranger to grand finals, having guided Sandringham to three consecutive VFL flags in 2004-05-06. He also coached the VFL to a crushing win over the WAFL this season. Quite simply, Williams' record in an elite competition outside of the AFL is one of the finest in the country. His affiliation with Melbourne also strengthens his coaching CV. He has been a major part of the successful Melbourne/Sandringham partnership. [READ ARTICLE]

Latest Odds from SportsBet. Bloody Conolly's shortened. Any other person represent's good value given that Sheedy, Pagan or Laidley could be available. Chris Connolly 3.00 Any Other Person 4.50 Mark Riley 6.50 Guy Mc Kenna 8.00 Todd Viney 11.00 Brett Ratten 11.00 Michael Voss 12.00 Chris Bond 12.00 John Longmire 17.00 Mark Harvey 17.00 Peter Sumich 34.00 Damien Hardwick 51.00 Brian Royal 67.00

Ratten, Viney, McKenna & Voss all played their footy the way we'd like our boys to. But if given the chance, could they bring that style out in our players? Can they make us the hard and compettive unit we were last season?

Three good names there. Brett Ratten sugested a few weeks ago that he'd jump at the chance to coach Melbourne if such an opportunity arose. "If I was lucky enough to get the opportunity at Melbourne, you always take the bird in the hand," he said. Another to consider is Shane Bond, who is on Fremante's radar. Rodney Eade recently gave him a public endorsement. "There is no doubt he is ready," Eade said. "He ticks all the boxes. "He coached his own team at Werribee (in 2001 and 2002); he has been an assistant for seven years under three different coaches. "He has had a big part in the midfield being successful at the Bulldogs and all the other basics that need to be a given: hard work ethic, develops good relationships with people, loyal, honest. "He would make a good senior coach. There's a difference between coaching and being OK at it. "I have got no doubt that he can make a really good fist of being a senior coach." And of course Mick Malthouse recently said that Guy McKenna has clearly demonstrated he is ready for senior coaching after a range of different jobs since retirement. Even Essendon coach Kevin Sheedy, who is himself under pressure to retain his job at Windy Hill after this season, said all three of his assistants - Gary O'Donnell, John Barnes and Gary Ayres - could coach at AFL level in 2008. "It's a fantastic opportunity for Gary Ayres to put his hand up and coach somewhere. Gary O'Donnell's just waiting and so is Dean Wallis. They've got good experience," he said.

Lyon won't play favourites FORMER Melbourne captain Garry Lyon says his close friendship with Chris Connolly will have no bearing on any role he plays in appointing a new Demons coach. [READ MORE] Dees to interview Laidley KANGAROOS' coach Dean Laidley will have his first "informal" assessment for Melbourne's vacant position when the Roos play the Demons for the second time this season at Telstra Dome on Sunday evening. Laidley's performance in the box will be closely monitored by the Melbourne hierarchy after they detected a small flaw in his coaching when the two clubs met earlier in the year. [READ MORE] Fremantle have six potential candidates immediate short list comprises Mark Harvey, part-time assistant and former West Coast premiership player Don Pike, sacked Melbourne coach Neale Daniher, Bulldogs assistant and former Docker Chris Bond, Sydney assistant John Longmire and the ever-present Michael Voss. [READ MORE] On July 6th the Herald Sun reported that Fremantle coach Chris Connolly, Demons caretaker coach Mark Riley, Hawthorn assistant Todd Viney, Carlton Assistant Brett Ratten and Collingwood assistant Guy McKenna are on a long list of potential candidates to replace Daniher.

I've been abroad all year, and regrettably, this is the FIRST bit of Demon's footage I've managed to see all season. Watching Jones' and particularly Sylvia take on the opposition point to a bright future in an otherwise dull season. Bate seems to be going okay as well... Cheers madness, you've made my night.

Gary Lyon's worst on ground votes: 3. Nath Carroll 2. Aaron Davey 1. Brock McLean

Biff you have got to be kidding... Where is your sense of humor? Are we grumpy after a loss? What's wrong with a bit of a [censored] take nowadays! Y_M's fair game. And Jaded's lighthearted parody was both witty and spot on the money. I'm sure Y_M would have had a laugh. And take Jarka's support with a grain of salt, he's got his own agenda.

Triple M commentary team mentioned that Petterd gave the runner an absolute spray when he was dragged at the 20 minute mark in the final term - having kicked a goal just minutes before. He then glared at the coaches box as he left the field. Not happy with his limited game time tonight. Also reports that Yze's off with a groin again.

Fergy's one who hasn't been mentioned as a forward option yet. He's had stints there with Sandy and shown a bit. Dutchy's another option to come back in and play up front. I'd take these two over PJ in attack. Bate's another one to consider. He did some of his best work at TAC Cup level playing FF. Interesting times ahead.

Fitter Jones flying Now entering his second AFL-listed season, Jones is Melbourne's 'flyer' on the training track at this stage of the pre-season, having dropped almost 10 kilograms since Melbourne's season ended against Fremantle in last year's finals series. "I model myself on hard-running players - (Robert) Harvey, (Ben) Cousins and (Daniel) Kerr - and the West Coast midfield is how Melbourne's trying to model itself on and the best teams - Sydney and West Coast." Jones reflected on his past 12 months with the Demons and said the journey so far has been a 'dream come true'. [FULL STORY]

Don't mind me, just testing out the new post reply layout. Looks the goods!

It looks like Channel 31 might get Friday night games instead... "...while Seven is still keen to off-load Friday night matches to community broadcaster Channel 31 in Sydney and Brisbane to ensure that they are shown live into the key developing markets, as stipulated in the broadcast agreement with the AFL." - [View Article] Also in the article... "Dennis Cometti returns to the Seven fold after five years at Nine to call Friday Night Football on Seven alongside Bruce McAvaney, while triple Brisbane Lions premiership skipper Michael Voss will be a new addition to the Ten broadcasting team in 2007."

And to think, some suggested yours were 'soft' Yze-like goals. You're a modern day Dermie Hards. I don't recall anyone making heavy contact with you, is it possible you didn't just over expand the old chest cavity with pride? Do you know when it happened? On a serious not, I hope you recover quickly mate, and well done on finishing the game off so well under the circumstances.

Welcome aboard. The photo at the start of this thread ought to give you some idea of the age spread. FWIW we were quite a bit younger than Saintsational.

Well we do all belong to an internet forum

Done. And well played on Sunday too.

You'll get your chance soon. The re-match looks like it'll be late-Jan or early-Feb '07.

Checking out the flexed guns?? That'd be Scotty's little brothers mate.

Ah he was a mate of Oxx's, who came along to help with the numbers in the second half. A really nice bloke. He's got a background in Rugby Union and would have blitzed today had he possessed any idea of the rules! It's Oxx's job to get him up to speed on the rules by the new year, cause aside from his obvious size, he's got decent skills and a good engine. Best yet though, no Saint went near him! I wonder if it was the leather gloves he was wearing?

Demonland 6.1 9.4 15.4 22.7.139 Saintsational 1.3 4.9 8.12 14.16.100 Goals: Cactus 7, Scotty 4, Hards, 3, Freak 3, Melbournefc 3, Diesel 1, Wise Monkey 1 Perfect conditions for football, and sun tanning. Unlike last year (where no Dees fans turned out in support) we had more supporters than players. And by kick off at 2:30 there were only 14 lads kitted up and ready to play. I'm not sure what happened to the ten or so no shows who were listed to play, but rest assured I will personally ban them from the forum till the new year! After some frantic phone calls, we managed to field a 16 man side, and opened up the first quarter with a rush of goals. Some would say it was an even spread of contributors around the ground, but others might say it was an inspirational pre-match speech which got us off to such a flying start. The first term went for what seemed like an hour, and come quarter time, we were all feeling the pinch. Except of course for 'imtoohot' who ran all day and put in many second, third and fourth efforts. 'Jim-Bob' responded well to the humiliation of being used as a step-ladder by barks4eva (who then failed ot convert from 15m) and offered us great drive from the backline in the first term. He was later concussed in the final term, but nursed back to health in the goal square by his loving wife - who also double teamed his man when required. In the second term we kicked into the wind, and kept Saintsational at bay. 'Freak' moved onto the ball and aside from giving us great drive, kicked a couple of majors. His tackle on (the untouchable) Saints player called 'Onur' was a highlight - more than we can say for his goal kicking last year. It'd been a well contested first half, but sadly lacked the spite of February's contest. Some Demons fans on the sideline were calling for blood (probably because they were my friends and I'd promised it) and despite my best efforts at starting a melee, all I'd managed to do was concede several free kicks. For the second half we were aided by two boom recruits... Scotty's little bro and his mate. They took the field and brought our numbers up to 18 - which was more than their collective age. Inspired by the promise of after match beer, these two boys patrolled the backline - like those meercats on TV - repelling most of Saintsational's forward thrusts. The backline was (for want of a better word) sensational not just in the third quarter, but all day. Often the unsung heroes in a team - today was no different. Three quarter time was upon us, and those who played last time remembered the (universally ignored) speech about not giving up a big lead in the last - which history shows we did. 'Hards' gave the speech last year, so I took it upon myself to motivate the troops this time around. Fortunately I actually listened to 'Hards' last year, and repeated his speech verbatim. For some bloody reason... it worked! Oddly enough, it had the biggest effect on 'Hards' himself. Unsighted for much of the match, he drilled three of the easiest best goals in the last. We booted the first few, iced the game, and waltzed to an impressive 39 point win. At the after match BBQ, Saintsational players would bemoan the late withdrawal of several key players, but given we had ten no shows (including the much lauded Chook's) there was reason to suggest we could have been a lot better too. And we will have to be when we enjoy a re-match in late Jan or early Feb. Saintational will be out for revenge, and if they can (like St Kilda itself) find an adequate ruck man, we will have to work hard to retain coveted 'The Big Carl' Cup. Thanks to all the Demonlanders who came down for a run, and to the others who filled in - with little notice. Many thanks also to Rollinson and the likes who volunteered their time and a couple of slabs of beer, which went down nicely - particularly when drunk out of 'Big Carl'. Thank you to Sainistaional for providing a great match, and even better post match BBQ. And finally thanks to the many fans who turned out in fine voice and colour, and cheered us onto a memorable victory. A wonderful day...

I remember there was a lot of talk of Cameron when he got drafted, but not too much of it was hype. Cam was seen as a 'long term prospect' and something of a gamble when drafted. While he captured the imagination of Melbourne supporters, I think most astute supporters remained reserved in their predictions, and the consensus was that he might struggle to make a career at AFL level. His debut year was solid, and he deserved his taste of senior football, but I’m not sure many would agree with the notion that he was a dominant player at Sandringham. Again, we’re talking about players who looked set to take the AFL by storm, players who on their day had the potential to dominate a game or captivate a crowd, and players who carried the hopes and aspirations of supporters on their shoulders. Cameron Hunter never looked like one of these players.