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I would say Scully. Club wanted to keep him but he was never invested like Gus.

Please don't ever say that again. I want to continue to love my club.

Hi KC, did Daw play? Seems to be missing from the stats. Edit: Sorry, just saw on another thread he didn't. Not a lot of hit outs in the stats, what was the ruck situation today?

They are Neeld era bad. Good players gone backwards, skills have vanished and if there is a system I can't see it. North are in a lot of trouble and I don't think it's all cattle.

Ok, thought it would be more interesting than that.

Really??

Quite right. Of course the real answer would lay in the coding platforms used by each. Land was more like a common forum build whereas that old Midnight set up ology used seemed to go unnoticed. But there is not a lot humour in that.

Sorry, just saw subsequent posts. I was reading demonland and demonology in the very early 2000s. For some reason Demonology made it through the government firewall but Demonland didn't.

Really, I thought it was much earlier than that.

Paul McNamee is back?

I would like to say in 2006 at Carrara vs the Adelaide Crows, when we were ripped off when an Aaron Davey gem of a goal was called a point by mistake. But unfortunately I have been to the Gabba a few times since. 2 from 2 at the MCG though!!!

I thought he took one up the ground in the first half, and then the one drifting into the pack in the fwd line. I'm not convinced about him as a pure forward still. Back up ruck and fwd is where I like him when needed.

I don't disagree with you. I am firmly in the Tmac camp. I also think Weid is more a replacement for Jackson as a second ruck, and Brown if needed. But I recall at least two strong marks he took tonight so credit where it is due. I was worried about his intensity (ball watches a bit for mine) but thought it improved through the match.

Took some tonight.

I still think Salem was meant to get it last year. He will be missed on the big occasion tonight.

No heart in GWS. Pretty poor effort.

Or Max. That is where my first thoughts went to as well. A ruckman in doubt.

Or like in game 1 vs the Dogs when Hunter got his first high/ducking free. I'm not into booing, but really laughed at how the crowd reacted.

Consistency will enable acceptance. No excuses. Players infringe, umpires adjudicate. If they want to make wholesale change then they need to get their ducks in row before they start. Not excuses as to why some were or were not paid. Brief the umpires and be consistent in the application. Otherwise there will be contention rather than success.

So long as it is applied consistently.

Scott is an absolute cloth eared Muppet. He never thinks he is wrong - which is dangerous arrogance. This will not be last thing he stuffs up, and let's hope he doesn't leave the game in as bad a state as he left North! On the dissent rule, if they want to go hard then fine. But it needs to be applied CONSISTENTLY and not just when they feel like it.

The way some umpires bounce the ball these days he could have been in a forward pocket for a centre bounce!

I agree the rule is definitely needed. Just needs to be refined and applied with more consistency. (The Geelong game will be a good case study today). I also think overt verbal abuse of an umpire should be met with a fine. Touching an umpire an immediate suspension. I remember the first game of rugby union I played. I made some infringement in a maul and I asked the ref what the decision was for. Penalised and marched 10 immediately. Was told by my team mates to shut up in no uncertain terms. While that gets to the extreme end it is closer to the direction we need to get to for umpire respect.

I posted this in the Casey thread but is probably more suited to this one. Sorry if some of the context is lost. And I also agree that the abuse rule needs to remain, but refined and more consistency. Totally agree. There is virtually no transparency on umpire reviews of performance and by that I also mean a lack of media scrutiny. I know why they stopped bagging umpires on TV, but it has gone too far in that there now seems to be no accountability. Constructive discussion with an umpires rep explaining decisions should be a weekly occurrence with a view to improving umpiring. When the same umpires keeping getting shown up (like some of Stevic's strange involvements) then a better feedback loop can begin. Need to talk more openly publicly to help ease supporter frustration as poor decisions seem to generally go ignored after the event. We should also be discussing and recognising good performances.

Totally agree. There is virtually no transparency on umpire reviews of performance and by that I also mean a lack of media scrutiny. I know why they stopped bagging umpires on TV, but it has gone too far in that there now seems to be no accountability. Constructive discussion with an umpires rep explaining decisions should be a weekly occurrence with a view to improving umpiring. When the same umpires keeping getting shown up (like some of Stevic's strange involvements) then a better feedback loop can begin. Need to talk more openly publicly to help ease supporter frustration as poor decisions seem to generally go ignored after the event. We should also be discussing and recognising good performances.