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Thanks for posting that. I didn't realise it was that clear cut. Something to shove up my Collingwood mates' collective bung hole. (I even heard one of the idiot commentators the other day describing Petracca as a number one pick)

Love the name of the journo who wrote that article: Scot Spits. Is that a name or a dirty national habit? He's a new one on me. Hope he's not one of the dozen they've had to bring in to replace Flannagan.

Me too. I thought he carried himself with great composure during the interview. I've always liked Richo, but he's lost me now. I don't get it - 3AW website is saying he defended Clarry - from what I saw of it, he helped instigate the slander, then backed down - ever so slightly - i.e. you're a stager and a diver! - but, I suppose we can't be 100% sure so we'll give you some benefit of the doubt.

Magpie losers are the sorest

Hey Wrecker - I'll have a look at it, but I get put off by the headline. "Global warming is a religion"? Hard to argue against the logic of that - there isn't any. There's lots of reputable info on-line about Climategate - this one looks interesting. http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/solutions/fight-misinformation/debunking-misinformation-stolen-emails-climategate.html#.WU8p-xTeqFI The sad thing is all the climate-deniers will refuse to read it because it goes against their confirmation bias.

You can't possibly know that he went down easy. You are being misled by a camera angle. The ump thought there was enough there to warrant a report.

On 3AW now - Filthy Little Land Rat Tony Shaw still suggesting Oliver should be fined. Weird. Exterminate.

But I wasn't asking to be forgiven for a poor argument - I've put up a few good ones on this thread (and, alas, a few dodgy ones - I do tend to shoot from the hip when I'm tired or rushing to respond while trying to do a million other things) but you do occasionally make me question my blasé assumptions, which is worthwhile. I don't know that I'd call myself left-wing these days. Sounds a bit French Revolutionish - that's over now, we won that one (Zhou En Lai may beg to differ).

In addition to our own Poet Laureate, Ethan , there's also a few by the other great West Australian poet John Kinsella - most notably his "Perth Poem."

Great Post, Nut. Me love The Teskeys.

Hi Wrecker - sorry, it's a complicated site - I don't want you to bother unless you feel like it - I also don't want to get into an argument - (well, not with you, anyway - you're too clever - wouldn't mind one with Pro) The Mundine article (which I did finally get around to reading) was mainly talking about the costs of alternative energy, the cheapness of coal, etc - I gather it was a response to the Finkel report (it didn't, of course, say anything about the cost of doing nothing) On the Climate Council link there's their own response to Finkel - 10 Basic Electricity Facts, I think - why don't you have a look at those? Tell me if you disagree with them. I should say I put more faith in The Climate Council than Mundine - everything they say seems to be backed up by peer-reviewed research. I originally threw in this challenge (I think) because you were saying how easy it was for you to pull apart the arguments of those concerned about climate change (I personally find it very difficult to refute something like the Mundine article - takes a fair bit of time, and I'm very busy) (I'm tempted to say his writing has improved since he became Gerard Henderson's son-in-law, but I suppose Daisy would say I'm being ad hominem again )

Sorry I was slow in responding, Prof - I was coming home from work - and eating dinner. You're right, as always. You're certainly interested in debating - What a debater - 3652 posts! A mass debater! No wonder you don't have time for us mere mortals.

But...but Prof - you seem unhappy - there must be a misunderstanding. I'm supporting you. You've convinced me - climate change is a hoax. Arizona is fake news. I'm with you all the way.

Wow! More indisputable scientific evidence from Professor Pro and that venerable, world-leading, peer-reviewed scientific journal...Breitbart! Yay! Stop worrying, folks - the crisis is over. The Prof knows more than all of those ignorant world leaders and their sneaky scientific advisors who signed the Paris Accord put together. And the fact that Arizona is suffering the worst ever recorded heat wave, beating the one it had er.. last year...? Coincidence! Pure coincidence. .

Sometimes in rubbishing the author, you're rubbishing the argument (Wilde was rather good at that) Here's the link https://www.climatecouncil.org.au/category/the-facts Don't bother refuting it if you can't be bothered - I was just trying to demonstrate what a waste of time it is trying to respond to an article like the Mundine one when all I'd be doing is preaching to the choir or to people who wouldn't believe what I was saying anyway (ie a total audience of about 3) , Better things to do with my time.

"global warming - my grand father had a place on the beach and I thought the green house effect was going to destroy it. Now I realise global warming / green house effect / climate change are a fraud. The seas are not rising" Wrecker you don't realize it's a fraud - you think it is. You hope it is. If you know it is, you're deluding yourself.

I imagine a lot of bullies have gone on to become captains of industry, plenty of dobbers gone on to be their lackeys. What opinions have you changed in your adult life? (I only ask because you do seem to have rigid ideas on most things)

Tell you what - I'll see you and I'll raise you - I just posted a fact sheet from the Climate Council - you write a cogent response to its arguments (maybe the Five Questions they most commonly get asked?) and I'll respond to the Mundine one (haven't actually got round to reading it yet - am busy with real work - but if it's by Tony Abbot's love-child, I suspect it'll be the usual stuff: an emissions trading scheme or anything like it will cost too much, and what difference can little Australia make, the big polluters are China, America, etc, and climate change is a hoax anyway.

Hey Daisy - sorry, haven't replied properly - busy with work, family, etc. Read this - good comment on the Finkel report: https://www.climatecouncil.org.au/category/the-facts

Hey Daisy - I was half asleep when I saw your post - but Dieter's right - you criticise somebody for writing an ad hominem attack - in an ad hominem attack! Wonderful!

Hey Dieter - thanks for taking the trouble to write such a thoughtful post. We all try to understand this crazy world as best we can. Agree with you that much of the blame for our current crisis comes from the insane actions of the empires. I differ from you on the terrorist thing - when a crazy Greek runs people over in the Bourke Street Mall he doesn't think he's doing it on behalf of Greeks. The islamic terrorists think they're doing it on behalf of their religion - also a form of insanity, but more contagious, with a millenarian component, and therefore more worrying in the long run. That's also why I'm worried about Islamophobia - it inspires more of the lunatics - I reckon the only thing we can do is keep reaching out to our Islamic fellow citizens, try to understand each other. There's a terrific local singer called Brent Parlane - years ago he wrote a song I like called Springvale Road - about Vietnamese migrants - one line in it ran: "Our kids'll play together in their own time." Hopefully that will happen with Muslims - in fact, of course, it already is. I see it in my university every day.

nah - seen plenty of Mundine's garbage - don't want to pay to read more of it - ad hominem will do for now (remember reading a hilarious article by him just before the last election, when negative gearing was an issue, he said how good it was for Aboriginal people - article didn't make any sense at all - I read it and thought - er what? i wonder what percentage of Aboriginal people are in a position to take advantage of a tax avoidance scheme like that?) Sorry - ad hominem's all he gets from me. Read his bio on Wikipedia - if ever there was a hominem that deserves an ad, it's him. Boasting about how, when he was President of the ALP, he was pulling the chicks, even though he was overweight. Weird. Even if I could get through the paywall, I suspect all I'd find's a Liberal party pamphlet. If you can find me something by Gary Foley, I'll read that - there's a man who fights for his people.

Yeah, you're right - not worth trying to get through the paywall - Mundine's a Liberal Party stooge - I liked the quote from his second ex-wife: "He sold out his people and his family." Onto his third now. Real poster boy for those good old conservative family values.

Can't read it. What does he say?

True. Poor old Pro has a rather binary approach to life, doesn't he? Anybody with views opposed to his (i.e. about half of society, given the number of people who vote Labor) is "mentally ill". No idea what he gets up to away from the keyboard, but I bet he's been a raging success with an attitude that subtle and sophisticated.