Diamond_Jim

well said... had come to the same conclusion Freo won't be bottom next year nor will they rocket up the ladder so a very fair chance pick 4/5 next year is still there. bTW on your Kelly trade... the problem I see is that pick 5/6 plus our first for next year (say 15 plus) sounds light for Kelly etc. Like the thinking though

out of curiosity who are we looking to use the second pick ( pick 5/6) on assuming May is available for pick 10 or thereabouts. Thanks

Apparently Moore is likely to stay at Collingwood according to his manager so getting a a draft pick that they can trade for May just became more difficult. Who else is interested in him? Thanks

and has been told by the struggling GCS to look elsewhere

What was a bit worrying was that for a player in 2017 who was regarded as too good for VFL, his VFL form dropped off as 2018 continued. Would need to be a Lazarus like turn around to get beyond 2019.

and that is why we are in the market. He has apparently said he does not want to re sign this year. Same position with May. GCS have asked him to re sign a year in advance. He has said ... maybe ... but I want to look around first. Imagine having him on the list next year without him being re contracted... whatever you might say it isn't ideal. We need the MFC story for 2019 to be about success not about Hogan moving West.

doubt it .. especially if the dollar differences are of the magnitude that Sheils and Gaff have been offered. Each had an approximately $2 million differential Scully made the right choice. If there is complaint it is only about how he handled it. Personally I give an 18-19 year old some leeway. The real question with the teams that are paying the $1.2M a year for non specialised positions is what it does to salary levels across that team. There's a lot more to play out on that stage especially for clubs with star midfields.

$1.3M a year.... very very serious money One wonders if some clubs are offering big money so the player becomes their advocate. No way will Hawthorn match that salary wise so the question of draft picks they can offer becomes moot.

Perhaps ruckmen need an academy system that looks after them until 21. Allows high quality coaching while also allowing time for study etc. Could be one academy for Victoria (saves money) but with say 4 sponsored ruckmen per club. They could be spread through appropriate leagues for match practice. Might even be a case for extending it to KPP's.

Lobb wanting to go west has the potential to impact the Hogan trade. He's worth one first plus something else I would have thought.

In reality it's about being there on the big day and there is no doubt that the interstate teams have a better chance of being there (ask Richmond). 11 home games plus one against the cross town rival. That's a decent start in anyone's book. Plus if you can finish first or second a high chance of getting to the GF. Personally I agree with the GF being moved but on a rotational basis as distinct from home ground advantage. Perhaps Victoria every second year to reflect the Victorian following. Remember 60% of the crowd are predetermined. Not going to happen as the AFL sold it for the next 40 odd years.

What do people think Collingwood will get if they trade Moore? The level of that pick could be a key determinant for what we have to offer GCS given the Pies are after May.

yeah but admit it... secretly we all enjoyed it

And an even bigger thanks to Demonland

A trivia point: colliwobbles or more correctly collywobbles is a very old word and reportedly is a reference to the shakes suffered by a cholera victim. It then went on to be a general reference to an intestinal cramp or disturbance.

no different to the Thursday nights which are part of the mainstream these days

I'd sign him up for 2 years now ie his existing one plus one more. I doubt he would sign for three at the money we would offer now. At the end of 2019 assuming Cox does not star Collingwood will come very hard with some big dollars. If we can lock him down until end of 2020 Collingwood may go elsewhere. If Weideman scores 50 goals plus in 2019 watch his contract value rocket. This frankly is the only part of the Hogan trade that worries me.

Lot in that post NC 2019 could have been his make or break year but it seems as though we may not benefit one way or the other in that we won't get the performance upside and because of his injury history we are unlikely to see the trade upside

Must say I thought that about 2018 in that he would redefine the role of CHF. It didn't happen in reality. Bit like Petracca didn't have a break out year. Nothing is certain in this world

why would he feel or be made to feel uncomfortable. Players come and go at all clubs every year. It's the way

I keep hearing that there are around 20 "name players" potentially on the move this trading season. That number may cause the going rates to drop simply because there are less draft picks floating in the trade system that clubs are willing to give up. (Badly expressed but think about it.) Trading season will be very complicated if they are trying to get away 20 "name deals". It usually around 3-4. Admittedly a couple of the 20 are FA's that don't of themselves require trades but on trading of the draft picks may.

With the formula they may well get higher compensation than they can get under a trade. Hawks would not have offered us pick 3 for Frawley. Sometimes the formula works in favour of the giving club.

Gabba = Woolongabba the suburb in which the stadium is located My favorite is of course the WACA

An interesting discussion to be carried on over the off season. WCE played the possession game a la the Hawks but with better forwards. Collingwood midfield was not up to the level it was in the first three finals. Love to hear some considered views.

6 and say 16 for Kelly... where do we sign !!