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Welcolm Sam but Booooooooooooooooooo to the trade!

When Jack W plays football... ...I hate myself for that answer because I have a lot of time for Jack...but it seemed the answer you may be fishing for...

Sorry to be honest, but that is one of the silliest comments of the trade period!

If we want Lever we need to get 4 plus a v good player from GWS for our 3 (+/- steak knives) otherwise Coll will probably take Lever with 5.

Hopefully we package a better deal for them than the Saints

That is exactly why Roos doesn't take big guys in drafts.

TBH, if we get good enough to have a few Fri night games against good Vic sides I don't care if we lose QB. $ wise 3 Fri night > 1 QB game. Would rather have Anzac Eve vs Tiges instead - has historical significance for both teams. Happy to lose QB just to stop Eddie crowing about how generous he is and that it is our grand final. Tired of being looked down upon and seen to be living on hnad-outs.

What else is new!

Yes but his main job is to kick goals which he hasn't (please don't give me the 'ball doesn't get down there enough' routine)

WOW! He can mark and tackle and kick goals and run both ways and play on and doesn't move the ball backwards!! No wonder Roos likes him!

Looks like HL is going to focus on just football. From the HS: Melbourne coach Paul Roos yesterday told the Herald Sun that Lumumba wanted to finish his career in a blaze of glory, not as a polarising publicity machine. At the Demons he won’t do media interviews, has already shut down his twitter site and will this week also close his facebook page. Looks very promising. Roos works his player management magic again

I wonder who Adelaide wanted at pick 8? I wonder whether they would want to trade up to pick 3 given the new lie-of-the-land post the Boyd deal and the subsequent draft pick changes by GWS StK. Adel give us pick 8 and a B++ potential A player in return for 3. I hope our team were not so focused on landing the proven star that we lost sight of other options.

The wild card was Griffen! As soon as he jumped ship GWS lost all interest in a deal with us and focused on the WB then StK for #1. As I said yesterday Griffen dealt us out of that card game and those clubs would do the deals that needed to be done. The music stopped and no place for us!!

You know, I'm ok with that. If in 12 mnths Jack can play give him a contract 1/2/3 yrs whatever. If he can't play I'm sure Jack will want to get on with his life (perhaps outside football) and he won't want a contract. If we choose our rookies wisely, if need be Jack can go onto the LTI list in 2015 and a rookie be promoted. I feel, nothing is lost by emotionally supporting him in 2015. Then que sera sera

So we should send our very own 'Demoneyes' to talk turkey with Clark then!

Mahoney must reassure Jack about his future with the Dees because: The Kid deserves it! He: stood by the club in dark times, accepted co-cap, played injured, endured ordinary coaches, accepted demotion from co-cap with good grace, accepted loss of leadership role when injured with good grace and now reluctantly accepted that he would be traded. He is 22 FGS! If he was your son how much do you want him to endure!!! It will be tough enough in rehab. Let him recover physically with contract anxiety added to his woes. Jack will know by the end of next year if he can play footy again. That is the time to talk about his future post 2015 not now. He must stay on our list this year. We owe him.

With Frawley and Mitch gone, Trengove's front-ended contract tapering off and having to pay min % of sal cap we might as well use it to payout players! Uggg! I can't believe I wrote that! What a terrible position for us to have to do that.

Anyone for a last minute deal that looks like this: Our pick 3 and 23 to Adelaide/Gold Coast for their pick 8/9 + A grade player? We still get the DL faves of Brayshaw and Lever but a ready-to-go-now player (instead of drafting for #23) Glad I'm out for the day rather than refreshing DL every five min.!

Had a closer look at possible use for pick 23. Swans and Hawk first live pick is 58 and 43/59 respectively. Earlier picks gone on F/S and O'Rourke. Swans have sal cap to manage and Hawks want to get back earlier picks (they have put some players up for trade to do this but it appears none that interest us). Would imagine our recruiters have been working the phones since Trengove deal fell thru so maybe Swans or Hawks are the best chance of getting a good trade for a B++ on-baller. Or! Port may be looking for a low 2nd round pick to get Ryder deal over the line and that may release one of their on-ballers. A B++ player from any of those 3 teams would be a good get I would think.

Our most likely scenario is we take pick 2 and 3 to the draft and trade pick 23 for the best 23-26 yo, experienced on-baller we can get. That will give us a better balance in terms of age and experience. 23 is not a bad pick given the no of F/S before it so good chance of an excellent 'slider' to be picked up.

We have gone from 'all players are tradeable' 4 weeks ago to zero players being traded out 1.5 days from trade cut-off. No talk of any happening either (excl Clarke). Even if we land a big fish no-one at MFC could be happy with the trade outcome and the list that results,

If that is the case it will be hard to get to a deal: - Sydney can't take a player - Our other live pick is 23, our 2nd round. (3rd round is for stretch) - its getting late in the day to try and trade in another high pick eg from Gold Coast/Adelaide I so desperately hope we don't give in if for no other reason that our recruiters will be seen as soft and that if we get desperate enough we will give in to unreasonable demands.

Syd pick 39? So we couldn't even get Sydney's 1st rounder back!! WOW we look desperate! And if the other player doesn't come from Sydney what sort of player are we going to get for # 39.

We probably have to give extra picks because the AFL won't let Syd take players...if we pay overs we can blame the AFL !! He who giveth, taketh away. We get pp 3 and may end up having to 'give' it away.

Yes, they have offered pick 21 for Stanley!! No way will they give us their 1st round especially if Stanley is on their radar. Perhaps Geelong has word that Varcoe is hesitating so can't be bothered trying to make the Mitch deal work and Stanley is a better risk/reward bet. Be prepared to be 'stuck' with Mitch. Maybe we should have played harder, earlier but we now seem to have got ourselves piggy backing on other trades and losing control of the Mitch/HL/Frost trades. Motto: never, ever trade with Collingwood...if they had accepted Geelongs 2nd round 30+++ pick (for HL) in the first place the deal would have been done on day !