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May clearly favours us but that could be because we are more likely to get a trade done. His other suitors are equally well placed to play finals. The longer the Neale/Hogan thing drags on the greater the likelihood those clubs will ramp up their efforts for May. Eddie especially will go after May big time and the Pies list Manager Ned Guy was May's player manager until he joined the Pies last year. Time is ticking!

Of course not and didn't mean to imply such! Just a starting point. Mahoney asked for high end picks. Can't bend over to 1 high pick and late 2nd round pick. #5 and a pick in the 8-14 range (2018 or 2019) +/- later pick trade, Freo favour.

Crikey, Can't see us accepting #5 and #32 (a late second round pick). Has to be #5 and a mid to low 1st round 2018 or 2019!!

Movement at the station: SEN reporting that Neale deal will get done with 2018 #5 and #32 from the Lions. Hopefully, just a matter of time now! Edit: not suggesting we accept those for Jessie, see them as a starting point.

Sounds good! That would make it 5 or 6 in 2018 plus Brisbane's 1st round 2019. Brisbane will go up the ladder but can't see them making the eight so 2019 would be about pick 8-10. I'd take that!

Brisbane and Gold Coast have exchanged picks. The Lions have received picks 32, 41, 44 and 77 in this year's draft, while the Suns acquired 24, 58 and 79.http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-10/brisbane-and-gold-coast-in-draft-pick-swap Brisbane want the points for their academy players but giving up pick 24 doesn't help the bid to get Neale over the line. They may be looking to give up a player (pure guesswork on my part as Lions running out of usable picks). So, maybe further delay on Hogan. Shame we couldn't get pick 13 from Sydney to package up a May deal and break the nexus with the Hogan deal.

Preuss is also a bit of insurance if we don't get May. Won't be as good as May to take on the 'gorilla' defenders but as I said some insurance. Lots of reasons to have Preuss over Tyson. As Mahoney said the goal this trade period is team balance. Player value more important than pick value.

That may be mfc position but they can't force him to go and he stays another year as unpalatable as that may be. It is the manager's advice I was commenting on. Selling the kid short telling him to wait for a better deal next year. Get the best deal he can now. A deal can't be that much better next year.

Why would manager think Freo will offer more next year if Jesse turns them down now? Betting on WCE coming into the game, perhaps. High risk stakes if that is the case. And how much more does Jesse (or manager) want. If the kid wants to go home, let him. Why put him thru another year of angst and speculation. The extra $$ (after tax/manager fee) for Jesse, surely can't be be worth that. If Jesse turns Freo down for $$ he may never get back to Perth.

I wonder whether the GCS position of a trade this year must be approx next years FA comp pick, is being overplayed. They can get a player(s) now to develop/contribute rather than waste a year with May playing out time. They have other good leaders: David Swallow and two metre Pete is pretty good value, if they can get him on the park. One would think the environment and culture needs to come before draft picks. Agree a future 1st round won't get it done, but I have a hunch they might give him up for less than their posturing suggests. A complex trade, camouflaged with swapping of current/future later round picks...

I know that. I posted how we have the sal cap space and how the May/Hogan deals are separate, in the May thread about 30 min ago:

Sounds like fake news to me!!

I don't think we would wait a year. It looks like May in, is priority 1. Followed by Jesse out, a close second. If we found a way to get May independently of the Hogan trade, the tea leaves are saying we would still trade Jesse out but may be more accommodating in what trade we accept.

And Tyson is interested in North. Tyson was reportedly on $500k pa. Factor in the Kent trade, the more expensive delists/retirements (Vince, Pedersen, Bugg) and the likelihood of Aaron going ? should give us enough cap space to pick up May. And, I reckon we will still have some coin in the kitty to pay our other trade in players. So if we can find a trade that will satisfy GCS we can get May regardless of what Jesse does.

Looks like we are getting closer: "The last bit of news for the day, which we must stress is little more than a whisper, is that Steven May had reportedly requested a trade from Gold Coast to Melbourne. Given the Demons had already claimed they didn’t have room for both May and Jesse Hogan in the side, you would have to think some progress on the Hogan-to-Fremantle front had been made for that development to have any truth to it." https://www.theroar.com.au/2018/10/09/afl-trade-wrap-day-3-dylan-shiel-scott-lycett-chad-wingard-and-more/ Deadline for Jesse tomorrow then? Take your pick: Melbourne time, Perth time, Bali time!!

A fine legacy Brad Lloyd left with Freo! Signed Mundy, Bennell and Ballantyne to one year deals and committed to similar for Sandiland in mid August - at about the time he announced he was leaving for Carlton. Those 4 would tie up at least $ .750m of their 2019 sal cap - good money that could toward Lobb and/or Hogan. None of those guys were going anywhere but retirement. Someone at Freo took their eye off the ball. Why on earth sign them up in mid August rather than wait till after the trade period. Peter Bell must be tearing his hair out trying to right that ship.

Suns still seem keen to get him http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-08/trade-wrap-hogan-inching-towards-dockers-deal I hope Dom gets a trade he is happy with. He really got his act together after playing for Casey and it was almost miraculous and courageous how he played barely a week after surgery to his fractured arm.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-08/trade-wrap-hogan-inching-towards-dockers-deal Summary of the points re Hogan: Dockers cooling partly because of Lobb's arrival and partly the Demons are demanding two early first-round picks. the spearhead's recovery from a navicular injury among the pressing issues it has to address. There is still a chance Hogan could remain at Melbourne, but it appears far more likely he will be in the Dockers' purple and white next season. Hogan is unlikely to officially request a trade to Fremantle in the next day or so, but it's understood progress is being made behind the scenes that is inching him closer to that point. But, as they consider such a blockbuster trade, the Dockers won't be rushed. My read is he will be a Docker next year but we wait a few days to hear an official trade request. As an aside, in case anyone missed it @Mach5reported in the AVB thread that we may trade him and 2nd/3rd round picks to Sydney for pick 12. Could come in very handy in a trade to GCS so we can break the nexus between the Hogan and May deal.

That was my first thought when I asked Chook who he was worried about slandering.

Slander of a Freo person or slander of Jesse?

Is this guess work, wishful thinking or from some knowledge - don't need sources just to know how much confidence to gain from it.

GCS starting to put pressure on May to make a decision. http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-08/trade-too-hard-to-do-if-may-delays-any-longer I wonder whether the waiting for the Neale/Hogan deal will prompt him to reconsider his other suitors or see out his contract.

Not directly about Gaff but Eagles thinking of matching Port's FA offer for Lycett. Possibly, just a ploy to force Port into a trade. Smart thinking by Eagles; Lycett stays or they get a decent pick they can then use as part of a Kelly trade or to trade in another ruckman.

This is the google search results for a story on Jesse's dockers visit. Lachie Neale has requested a trade to Brisbane, AFL trade news 2018 ... https://www.heraldsun.com.au/...is.../cc1bca44ef5be7340afd68c48b5c35db 23 hours ago - Neale, 25, also won in 2016 and was runner-up last season. The inside ... Rosich also said specialists were still assessing Hogan's foot injury I can't get behind the paywall so others may report more detail. Or perhaps a Perth newspaper has the same transcript.

Um, each page has 25 posts, regardless of size. Still, a valiant effort on your part!