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I wonder whether the GCS position of a trade this year must be approx next years FA comp pick, is being overplayed. They can get a player(s) now to develop/contribute rather than waste a year with May playing out time. They have other good leaders: David Swallow and two metre Pete is pretty good value, if they can get him on the park. One would think the environment and culture needs to come before draft picks. Agree a future 1st round won't get it done, but I have a hunch they might give him up for less than their posturing suggests. A complex trade, camouflaged with swapping of current/future later round picks...

I know that. I posted how we have the sal cap space and how the May/Hogan deals are separate, in the May thread about 30 min ago:

Sounds like fake news to me!!

I don't think we would wait a year. It looks like May in, is priority 1. Followed by Jesse out, a close second. If we found a way to get May independently of the Hogan trade, the tea leaves are saying we would still trade Jesse out but may be more accommodating in what trade we accept.

And Tyson is interested in North. Tyson was reportedly on $500k pa. Factor in the Kent trade, the more expensive delists/retirements (Vince, Pedersen, Bugg) and the likelihood of Aaron going ? should give us enough cap space to pick up May. And, I reckon we will still have some coin in the kitty to pay our other trade in players. So if we can find a trade that will satisfy GCS we can get May regardless of what Jesse does.

Looks like we are getting closer: "The last bit of news for the day, which we must stress is little more than a whisper, is that Steven May had reportedly requested a trade from Gold Coast to Melbourne. Given the Demons had already claimed they didn’t have room for both May and Jesse Hogan in the side, you would have to think some progress on the Hogan-to-Fremantle front had been made for that development to have any truth to it." https://www.theroar.com.au/2018/10/09/afl-trade-wrap-day-3-dylan-shiel-scott-lycett-chad-wingard-and-more/ Deadline for Jesse tomorrow then? Take your pick: Melbourne time, Perth time, Bali time!!

A fine legacy Brad Lloyd left with Freo! Signed Mundy, Bennell and Ballantyne to one year deals and committed to similar for Sandiland in mid August - at about the time he announced he was leaving for Carlton. Those 4 would tie up at least $ .750m of their 2019 sal cap - good money that could toward Lobb and/or Hogan. None of those guys were going anywhere but retirement. Someone at Freo took their eye off the ball. Why on earth sign them up in mid August rather than wait till after the trade period. Peter Bell must be tearing his hair out trying to right that ship.

Suns still seem keen to get him http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-08/trade-wrap-hogan-inching-towards-dockers-deal I hope Dom gets a trade he is happy with. He really got his act together after playing for Casey and it was almost miraculous and courageous how he played barely a week after surgery to his fractured arm.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-08/trade-wrap-hogan-inching-towards-dockers-deal Summary of the points re Hogan: Dockers cooling partly because of Lobb's arrival and partly the Demons are demanding two early first-round picks. the spearhead's recovery from a navicular injury among the pressing issues it has to address. There is still a chance Hogan could remain at Melbourne, but it appears far more likely he will be in the Dockers' purple and white next season. Hogan is unlikely to officially request a trade to Fremantle in the next day or so, but it's understood progress is being made behind the scenes that is inching him closer to that point. But, as they consider such a blockbuster trade, the Dockers won't be rushed. My read is he will be a Docker next year but we wait a few days to hear an official trade request. As an aside, in case anyone missed it @Mach5reported in the AVB thread that we may trade him and 2nd/3rd round picks to Sydney for pick 12. Could come in very handy in a trade to GCS so we can break the nexus between the Hogan and May deal.

That was my first thought when I asked Chook who he was worried about slandering.

Slander of a Freo person or slander of Jesse?

Is this guess work, wishful thinking or from some knowledge - don't need sources just to know how much confidence to gain from it.

GCS starting to put pressure on May to make a decision. http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-08/trade-too-hard-to-do-if-may-delays-any-longer I wonder whether the waiting for the Neale/Hogan deal will prompt him to reconsider his other suitors or see out his contract.

Not directly about Gaff but Eagles thinking of matching Port's FA offer for Lycett. Possibly, just a ploy to force Port into a trade. Smart thinking by Eagles; Lycett stays or they get a decent pick they can then use as part of a Kelly trade or to trade in another ruckman.

This is the google search results for a story on Jesse's dockers visit. Lachie Neale has requested a trade to Brisbane, AFL trade news 2018 ... https://www.heraldsun.com.au/...is.../cc1bca44ef5be7340afd68c48b5c35db 23 hours ago - Neale, 25, also won in 2016 and was runner-up last season. The inside ... Rosich also said specialists were still assessing Hogan's foot injury I can't get behind the paywall so others may report more detail. Or perhaps a Perth newspaper has the same transcript.

Maybe Port are trying to bait St Kilda into giving up pick #4 to get one of the prized SA draftees!!!

Um, each page has 25 posts, regardless of size. Still, a valiant effort on your part!

Funny you should say that. McGovern signed up as a Sales Director for a building company a few weeks before he re-signed with the Eagles. According to its website, said building company is only two years old and doesn't have a lot of projects - one being building an investment project for Jack Redden. If you want to know more Google is your friend.

Ok. Ok. My bad. I phrased it badly and made it worse when trying to clarify. Was just trying to say he may not be rated as highly by Freo relative to Neale for a variety of reasons. I botched it. By no means was any offence intended. Apologies.

Are you sure it was Jesse's actual account? His last post was 9 weeks ago https://www.instagram.com/jessebhogan/ BTW - has anyone who follows him seen '01' on his account in the past? He did a medical at Freo on Thursday. Unlikely to do that if he was coming back. Mahoney said they expected to hear from Jesse through his manager again indicating that he was unlikely to be back in Melbourne at this time.

I was comparing circumstances over the last two years (tragic loss of father, extended injury, away from family) and the respective resilience and grit shown. The comparison was in the context of question marks on Jesse (raised by many in this thread) possibly causing Freo to put a lower value on him than Neale. My post had nothing to do with media shenanigans at airports or anywhere else! As an aside, Mfc have kept Jesse out of the media for the last two years and rightly so.

I can see Freo using the Neale deal as the basis for a Hogan deal. Neale: consistent and outstanding bnf record (2 firsts, 1 runner up), 3 X AA squad, 25yo, probably top two mvp at Freo, proven gun . Hogan: Rising star, leading MFC goalkicker, potential Coleman medallist, potential gun, potential bust if he doesn't get his mojo sorted. I can't help but compare how Aaron Vandenberg has conducted himself in not too dissimilar circumstances as Jesse. Aaron has overcome incredible adversity to get the most from himself. Not sure Jesse has the grit to get the most from himself. And therein is where his trade value drops. Albeit set back by injury and tragedy there are enough question marks on Hogan for Freo to value him below Neale in trade value. I reckon the better the deal Freo get for Neale the better the deal we get for Hogan. Pple should prepare for us not getting what fans think he is worth.

On Trade Radio, Mahoney said: “Through his management he’ll come back to us before the trade period starts on Monday.” So in the next 24 hrs we should know. Neale won Freo's bnf last night and didn't indicate what he would do. Edit: Perth newspapers reporting Neale has officially asked to be traded to Lions. Dominoes now set to fall!

Yep, pick 2-5 are needed for those guys! 'Enter the Dragon', you and I agree on that. The question was will it be GCS who pick them or will they trade out of pick 2 or 3 if they are going to pass on the SA lads. If they trade out of both they could have pick 7, 9, 10 and 15 from Adel and Port and then add pick 5 for May. No point GCS taking future stars if they leave after two years!

Here is a hypothetical to mull over: GCS trade pick 2 to Port for their 9 and 10 (assuming Polec gets to North) so Port can get Lokusius, Rozee or Rankine, then GCS will have picks 3, 9, 10 in 2018. Demons trade Hogan for pick 5 (assuming Neale gets to Brisbane) and Freo's 1st round 2019 pick (+/- later picks maybe - Freo's favour). GCS, may take Freo's 2019 1st round pick for May to give them an extra pick next year. We keep pick 5 (6 post Lynch comp pick) in 2018. Adelaide have picks 7 and 15 so could also enter the fray for GCS pick 2/3. Port and Adelaide are desperate to get the SA lads so don't assume GCS will take picks 2 and 3 to the draft! If they trade out of both 2 and 3 they could end up with 5, 7, 9, 10 and 15 in 2018! Lots of permutations around those combos! Stranger things have happened!