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I hear GCS need a replacement forward...?

Yep, trade out one of their better GF players and get a higher 1st round pick. GCS looking for a top 5 pick because they thought we could get it. If we can't they look at the next best offer for May.

Right now we have less currency than his other suitors. My point was that the Hogan deal being further delayed may have May starting to look elsewhere and his other suitors banging on his door!

They would sell the farm to get May.

But is it better than Collingwood's plan A? May was bound for the Pies just a few weeks ago. Reckon they see their chance to sneak in the side door and get him.

So Freo have now thrown 3 players into limbo: Neale, Hogan, May. I wonder how long May will wait before he makes his next move: sign at GC or look elsewhere. Practically, its tough for him to keep hanging on. Eddie or Ned Guy probably picked up the phone to call him as soon as they saw the stupid Freo offer.

True, but given the mess Freo are in this year from trading out 2018 picks last year and the state of their list, it would be almost negligent of the AFL to let Freo trade out their 2019 1st and 3rd.

That means they won't be trading their 2019 1st round pick to us (or anyone else) as the Future Pick Trading rules prohibit the trading of future 1st and future later picks. Hopefully we get the Neale pick #5 and #11!! Otherwise the Hogan deal starts looking awful!!

If Beams wants to reneg on his club and reneg on his emotional bnf committment to his teammates, he should do the right thing and accept a trade to a Melb club not insist on Collingwood. There are 10 clubs here. Wants to come home. OK, go where he and his club get a decent deal rather than one (Coll) which has little trade currency and could stuff the Lions. Lions should play hard ball and say 'we will trade you but to a club that gives us the best deal' as GCS have done with May. To do otherwise is very shallow and casts serious doubts on his claim to trade to come back for personal/family reasons.

Yes, complicated. How to do the Lobb trade is a real dilemma for them and could also be a reason why the Hogan trade is stalling. Having reflected on the option I posed last night (Hogan for Freo 2018 pick #5 and a swap of 2019 first round picks) Freo could then give our 2019 1st round pick (15 to 18) to GWS for Lobb. Overall its a good deal for Freo. They get Hogan and Lobb for Neal and their 2019 1st round pick. They keep 2018 pick #6 (Neale pick) to take to this years draft. All clubs get on with life and get other trades done!

The SA club swill be knocking Mahoney's door down to get it. Crows have picks 8, 13, 16 and 20. I reckon they would give up 8 with 13 or 16. We give 8 to GCS for May. Deal done!! Net result we keep 13 or 16 and pocket Freo's 1st round 2019 pick!! Happy days!!

Yes, I have also been advocating for quite a while that #5 and a mid first round pick to get the job done. But I think that is a little different to what I proposed above, albeit the results have similarities. My suggestion of a swap of 2019 first round picks leaves Freo with something substantial (our 2019 1st pick) rather than just coughing up #5 and a mid 1st round.

I would be surprised and that is the worst case scenario. An option (I'm being a bit creative): pick 5 2018 a swap of 2019 first round picks. Hopefully, in 2019 that converts to us receiving pick 5/6/7 and give up pick 17/18. ie a significant 2019 first round upgrade for us. To me that is a good compromise between Freo's 2019 1st round pick or a second round pick.

A more informative and reasoned commentary by Michael Gleeson. https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/fremantle-edging-closer-to-decision-on-hogan-20181010-p508x3.html Key points (paaphrasing): Full insight into navicular injury will not be available till after trade period ends Freo Board has met to discuss Hogan Talks are ongoing and progressing between the clubs Melbourne has shifted from its initial position of demanding two top-10 picks Discussions on a possible move of contracted Suns co-captain and full-back Steven May to Melbourne would not happen until a possible Hogan move was confirmed The Demons want the Dockers' first pick, but negotiations will then centre on what else would be required to complete a deal and whether it requires another first-round pick this year or next year, or a second-round selection. I don't think Mahoney has gone soft - just practical to get the deal done. Two top 10 picks always unlikely and just his opening ambit. My read is the deal will now happen.

My bad. I got the two Toms mixed up. My post was referring to Tom Morris from Fox Footy who is a dee supporter. Deserved to get the boot from club podcast and clearly is no longer ITK.

Just shows how far Browne Morris has been shut out by demon insiders. He now relies on other media outlets or guesses. Is a demon supporter and early this year he was doing the club podcast, then kept leaking stuff which is pretty low. Got the boot from the podcast. Clearly is now a persona non gratia! Edit: Referred to Tom Browne but my post was intended to be about Tom Morris

May clearly favours us but that could be because we are more likely to get a trade done. His other suitors are equally well placed to play finals. The longer the Neale/Hogan thing drags on the greater the likelihood those clubs will ramp up their efforts for May. Eddie especially will go after May big time and the Pies list Manager Ned Guy was May's player manager until he joined the Pies last year. Time is ticking!

Of course not and didn't mean to imply such! Just a starting point. Mahoney asked for high end picks. Can't bend over to 1 high pick and late 2nd round pick. #5 and a pick in the 8-14 range (2018 or 2019) +/- later pick trade, Freo favour.

Crikey, Can't see us accepting #5 and #32 (a late second round pick). Has to be #5 and a mid to low 1st round 2018 or 2019!!

Movement at the station: SEN reporting that Neale deal will get done with 2018 #5 and #32 from the Lions. Hopefully, just a matter of time now! Edit: not suggesting we accept those for Jessie, see them as a starting point.

Sounds good! That would make it 5 or 6 in 2018 plus Brisbane's 1st round 2019. Brisbane will go up the ladder but can't see them making the eight so 2019 would be about pick 8-10. I'd take that!

Brisbane and Gold Coast have exchanged picks. The Lions have received picks 32, 41, 44 and 77 in this year's draft, while the Suns acquired 24, 58 and 79.http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-10/brisbane-and-gold-coast-in-draft-pick-swap Brisbane want the points for their academy players but giving up pick 24 doesn't help the bid to get Neale over the line. They may be looking to give up a player (pure guesswork on my part as Lions running out of usable picks). So, maybe further delay on Hogan. Shame we couldn't get pick 13 from Sydney to package up a May deal and break the nexus with the Hogan deal.

Preuss is also a bit of insurance if we don't get May. Won't be as good as May to take on the 'gorilla' defenders but as I said some insurance. Lots of reasons to have Preuss over Tyson. As Mahoney said the goal this trade period is team balance. Player value more important than pick value.

That may be mfc position but they can't force him to go and he stays another year as unpalatable as that may be. It is the manager's advice I was commenting on. Selling the kid short telling him to wait for a better deal next year. Get the best deal he can now. A deal can't be that much better next year.

Why would manager think Freo will offer more next year if Jesse turns them down now? Betting on WCE coming into the game, perhaps. High risk stakes if that is the case. And how much more does Jesse (or manager) want. If the kid wants to go home, let him. Why put him thru another year of angst and speculation. The extra $$ (after tax/manager fee) for Jesse, surely can't be be worth that. If Jesse turns Freo down for $$ he may never get back to Perth.