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Overall we have 2 list spots available as either Senior List or Rookies. We can't delist a Rookie but we can upgrade one or we can opt not to take Brown or Bennell. There is no hurry to decide on them.

I thought we did very well. Happy with our 3 picks. We will be a much better balanced team and the quality of our starting 22 will be quite different by end of this year. Its worth noting that some heavy live-pick trading was done with picks in the 20's and very good deals struck (and I'm filthy on Geelong getting GCS's 2020 pick #11 and #64 for their #27). We couldn't play at that table as we had no picks in the 20's (or able to use 2020 pick of any value to package up). We always knew pick 28 would slide to the low 30's because of the Academy and F/S players before then. It shows the need to keep some early second round picks because once round 1 is over teams want to get their fave player that slid down the order, ala Lions and GCS and they will pay up. Some canny plays went down in the second round. We may have snookered ourselves a little bit by swapping picks too early in the trade, pre draft periods. Not sure we gained full value from them. We will learn from it.

Fox said the AFL needs to tick off the pick swaps and because it was complicated (apparently) it took some time. But it doesn't look complicated so it could be 'rules on the fly'!!

Live pick trading has certainly added a bit of a buzz to draft night. Usually it is fairly boring after round 1. Watching the Lions try to make a pick swap to get the points to match the bid on Coleman is very entertaining!

Rivers: STRENGTHS Balance Leadership Positioning Footy smarts Spread Class IMPROVEMENTS Locking down one position Endurance Sounds good to me! Especially the footy smarts and class. Shifter just said he is good on the outside. Ticks a few boxes for us.

The AFL won't do it but should be investigated as a totally unbalanced trade be it draft points or access to top talent vs taking leftovers later in the draft!

Do you mean the approval to trade #11 when the AFL handed it out or do you mean they approved that ridiculously unbalanced trade with Geelong? As part of the AFL package their Academy players don't go into the draft - ie they get them for no draft pick.

Kozzie is a Noongar man as is Harley Bennell. There have been and are many AFL players are Noongar men. A few notables: Polly Farmer, Buddy, Barry Cable, Nicky Winmar, Garlett, Matera, Bennell, Jetta, Pickett, Krakouer, Burgoyne, Ryder and the list goes on. Lots of people for young Kozzy to draw inspiration from.

Shorter breaks will be a real disadvantage to young teams, especially in finals. Expect a lot of 4th quarter fade outs.

Given that we passed the next likely was Sydney at #5 but was taken at #10. Draft Points: Pick 5: 1,878 Pick 10: 1,395 Diff (max deficit): 483 pts = pick 37. Other clubs with an early bid (Crows/Freo) had their own agendas. Had they bid on Green the Diff/max deficit would be smaller than above (and the value pick equivalent could be pick #67). There was no real 'hurt' factor to GWS. No real incentive for other clubs to bid.

Any idea how Carlton got live pick 20? Pick 22 was the pick in the swap being GCS's end of first round pp pick from the AFL? Was there another swap somewhere? A swap with Port at some stage, they haven't used what was pick 18 and now have pick 22?

AFL Twitter has come to life: Cal Twomey's intel suggests the Blues' bidding spree is an attempt to buy time as they look for a pick swap... foiled by GWS who matched the bid quickly and started the clock on the next trade \. Edit: Carlton swapped with GCS who now have pick 11 who selected Flanders. (Gold Coast receive picks No.11 and 62 from Carlton for picks No.17 and 22). Good deal for Carlton!

AFL website/twitter is useless. HS website showing Adelaide/Carlton discussing pick swap and GWS and Pies have done a pick swap. No details as can't get behind pay wall. AFL really needs to lift its game!

Dylan Stephens by Sydney a bit of a surprise. Really opens up picks 6 to 15! There was a pick swap there of later picks - anyone catch what/who it was?

A bit late given that all the pre-season fitness and conditioning programs were designed eons ago for a 20min break. The AFLPA and the AFL want to shorten games but this seems more a back door way of fatiguing players so that the last quarter opens up. Lots of other ways to shorten games: umpries bounce the ball rather than wait for ruckmen to nominate, speed up score review, not wait for broadcasters to run their ads after goals, change the 'time-on' rule etc etc.

I shall rephrase - first round ends when the holder of Richmond's first round pick drafts a player.

After the premiers, Richmond has had its first pick.

The assumption that GWS want Green so badly is the issue. According to some reports they don't and will let us keep him. If they do want him badly, GWS can swap pick 4 (after our bid) for another club's 2020 first round pick and a swag of later 2020 picks. Several clubs have 2 first round and multiple later round picks in 2020 which they could use to swap for #4 and stay within AFL rules eg Brisbane and maybe North). Or swap #4 for a club's 3rd/4th round picks this year and their 2020 first round pick. So GWS use rubbish picks this year, go into deficit and get the extra first round player next year. GWS may go into deficit but I read somewhere that swapped/traded in picks aren't used to make up a deficit; only natural picks. So GWS won't be using #4 on Green no matter what we do. The risk for us is we miss out on the player we really want. The only difference if we bid is that Ash (or whoever) stays in the pool. BTW, Sydney yesterday said they won't bid on Green at 5 and some phantom draft watchers see him sliding to our pick 10. I reckon most clubs have moved on from 'forcing' GWS to pay a 'fair' price because they have - GWS gave up 3 first round picks to get 4: 12 and 18 to saints for 6 then it and their 2020 first round pick to the Crows for 4. Other than who we take, where Green is called is one of the more interesting things in the draft.

I might just mention that Mahoney put up a number of charts that were not about 2019 injuries/surgeries. They were on Lessons Learnt, Actions for 2020, Programs etc. I complement the club for identifying many other problem areas and not just excuse the year as injury and surgery issues (which undoubtedly had a significant impact). Good questions, Dr G. On data analytics. Pert said as part of the review they engaged a consultant data analytics group (sorry, didn't get the name) that benchmarked us on a range of measures. Putting on my Management Consultant hat, they would have identified where we are falling behind and driven a number of initiatives and changes. I like that there was some 'science' behind the changes made and not just 'gut feel'. Without the science we could have ended up with 'knee jerk' reactions rather than a clear direction and planned programs. I'd expect Pert will have the benchmarking redone at certain intervals to measure the impact of changes. Also, on Mahoney's 'Progams' chart was: "Data Focus across all departments. New role: Data Scientist". He talked to the need for meaningful information so this would be Younger's role. I think other resouces have been added in this area. A question was asked on player mental health thru this disappointing year. Mahoney acknowledged how difficult it was and his earlier 'Programs' chart showed: 'New Leadership and Wellness Programs'. iirc he said they believed these would give us a competitive advantage. Pert added that the wellness program would be club-wide as non-football staff had to deal with many difficult issues especially when we aren't performing well. There wasn't time for detail but I had the impression it was being treated seriously. If I have time I'll go back and listen to the presentations and fill in some gaps.

Knightmare's preferred players by top 10 pick holder's before the Melb trade for pick 10. GC - Rowell GC - Anderson Mel - Jackson GWS - Ash GWS --Green-- Syd - Flanders Ade - McAsey Fre - Stephens Mel - Young Car - Weightman Whether it is Young or Kemp someone will likely slide to pick 10 depending on who Freo take at 8. Funny about all the angst on us 'allowing' GWS to potentially get Green and a top 5 player. We have just being party to Freo getting two top 10 players and Henry. No angst?:

You are probably right. We take 3 draftees then have two spots left: Bennell? Brown? or keep one free to take a DFA, someone in the SPP or in next year's mid year draft.

And we probably won't use Freo's 2020 pick 55-72 But we still effectively downgraded 26 to 28 in the trade. Not wanting to make a big deal of it but some posters keep thinking 28 is a free hit. It isn't.

I know all that. Just saying, 28 is not a free hit as some have posted. And yes many things can still happen. The net deal for #8 deal is a bit meh...

Pick 28 is not a free hit! To get 8 we gave up 26 and 50 from 2019 and our 2020 first. We have now swapped it for 28, and Freo's 2020 fourth ie 55 to 72. We have actually downgraded 26 to 28 and 50 to next year and swapped next years first for this year's #10. Its an ok deal but not something to write home about.

Not sure that is the case. There have been a huge no of picks changed hands there is no way the AFL can police those during the 5 minutes between live trades. They can't have one rule this week and another during live trade. Can anyone find a reference to the rule that says we can't do that trade with Freo.