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The same way as 2022: 2023 first for two lower 2023 first. 2023 first for one 2022 first and one lower 2023 first 2023 first for one 2023 first and two 2023 second. So many scenarios. We may not have a choice but two accept a top 10 pick and another first rounder. It is a damn sight better than anything Freo can put on the table. Yep time for a coffee.

I'm not usually a fan of trying to guess trades but for the purpose of this exercise and what the rules allow. Lets say WCE trades #2 for #6 and #10. We get #6 and their 2023 first which is likely to be in the #7-#9 range, giving us two top 10 picks. Or they can split their 2023 first etc etc and we get one and they keep one. We give them a pick back etc. There are so many permutations! My point is WCE can get a deal done far more easily than Freo can. And Jackson can repay our investment by nominating the state but not the club.

Not sure where the idea of pick 20 comes from. I mentioned before WCE can trade pick #2 for two lower top 10 picks and to aid a trade and satisfy AFL rules. Weren't there only two teams in the running for Cerra: Us and Carlton?

We would be obliged to deal with the club he chooses. In my response to another poster above, hopefully Jackson and his manager do what Cerra did last year and not nominate a club until they found the club that could get the deal done. I would like to think that the he repays the great start we have given him in his career by not putting us in a position where we get screwed in a trade.

That isn't really correct. They need to use a first round draft pick and it doesn't matter if it is #1 or #18. As I have mentioned before, Eagles could split pick #2 for say two lower top 10 picks and offer us one of them (and some other combo of 2022 and 2023 picks). They then use the other themselves and abide AFL rules. With Freo, it is exactly the same this year for Jackson as it was for Cerra last year but in reverse. If they can't get the deal we want done, then Jackson doesn't go to Freo. Cerra and his manager did a sensible thing for himself and for his club by not nominating a Victorian club until his manager knew which Vic club could get the deal done. By all accounts he wanted to come to the dees but we couldn't get the deal done so he went to Carlton. Hopefully, Jackson and his manager have the same integrity that Cerra did and find the club that can do the deal before nominating one.

The AFL podcast this morning had Freo way ahead of WCE with a 'lure' for Jackson. Hate to pass on some depressing info. Freo do not have a 2nd or 3rd round pick this year. Currently they have #15 and #71. For future picks they can only trade out their first round pick if they have a pick in every other round (either their natural pick or a traded in pick). This reduces flexibility to use any 2023 draft currency. They have signed up every player worth trading for. Lets hope Jackson's friendship with Nic Nat is strong and Jackson picks WCE should he leave the dees.

I really don't know why people 'shoot the messenger' whether that messenger is Wilson or someone else. They report what they are told so blame the people who are giving info to Wilson and others. The 'leakers' are the ones who have an agenda. If not why would they leak info about their club or players. At least Wilson cross checks her info which is an AFL rarity.

I daresay we will be looking for a Daw replacement. Bell looks a good prospect and he seems to have the right attitude. As a delisted player we can just add him to our rookie list as we did Daw, (a preseason selection) without going through a draft. Or take him as a DFA later in the year into the senior list, again without going through a draft.

It would have to be tallied manually from the weekly reports. Given the voting by Max, Clayton and Christian (amid 3 club losses) I would guess Jack's votes are less than 20.

McKay and Curnow will be Restricted Free Agents next year so there would be no need to trade. However, they both seem very committed and passionate coming into a finals then premiership window, playing with mates so not sure why they would leave to join a similarly positioned club. Money unlikely to be a motivator. As we like to think of our players in that way and to forfeit some $, I would be surprised if McKay and Curnow don't feel the same.

Of course not. He has already admitted he made a poor decision. So no deal before pre hearing, imv They could do a deal, go to the Tribunal and AFL counsel proposes a 'light' penalty in what would amount to a mock hearing. I wouldn't put anything past the AFL.

Is this just media talk or is it allowed. itewart-urged-to-strike-a-deal-over-prestia-bump-20220627-p5awzr.html "Geelong defender Tom Stewart ..., as he was urged to strike a deal with the AFL in a bid to avoid an extended suspension." Chris Scott laid the groundwork straight after the match saying it was a 'bump' which was 'poorly executed'! Doesn't referral to the Tribunal mean just that? It will be a total joke if the AFL decide this given they laid the charge in the first place. Let a panel decide. Not the Geelong coach's twin bro and cohorts who love 'secret herbs and spices' decisions.

The Coll President doesn't get it either. An article about a De Goey 'joke': jeff-browne-joke-about-jordan-de-goey-at-collingwood-aflw-awards- A Coll sponsor reaction: “I couldn’t believe what I was hearing at first. “I turned to the person next to me and said: ‘Did he really just make a Jordan De Goey joke?’ “And they just shook their heads in disbelief. “It was so disrespectful. It would always be inappropriate, but on a night to celebrate the women’s team, it was just appalling. “I can’t imagine how the players felt having their season and achievements reduced to a joke.” Another said: “I can’t believe he would be stupid enough to say that.’’ Is it any wonder De Goey didn't learn from NY. And no wonder a sponsor, Emirates asked for a 'please explain' of the club re their reaction to the Bali trip. Apparently De Goey is sulking and peeved off with how Coll treated him over the Bali trip. Presumably peeved about his lucrative contract taken off the table and/or getting him to make apologetic statements.

Coach Split: 5/5 Viney 4/4 Lever 3/2 Petracca and Oliver 1/0 Jordon 1/o Jackson All quite even bar the 1 vote. Oliver has broken away from the pack on the Leaderboard. Would have to be leading the Brownlow at this stage. He has been very consistent. 11 votes ahead of his nearest rival is a decent lead. Will check the Brownlow leader board after round 15 and see how big the gap is between the coaches and the umpires.🙄

While most commentators had Stewart as BOG. One coach saw it differently. He got 4/0. No guesses who gave him zero. 9 Liam Baker (RICH) 6 Tyson Stengle (GEEL) 5 Mark Blicavs (GEEL) 4 Tom Stewart (GEEL) 2 Cameron Guthrie (GEEL) 2 Tom J Lynch (RICH) 1 Zach Tuohy (GEEL) 1 Jeremy Cameron (GEEL)

That doesn't sound like the od with a recent return of FCSS. Or has someone hijacked your account od?☺️

Its about who we will beat in the GF (Send TIC so as not to tempt fate)

Nice of Scott to defend Stewart. To me it sounded like a well orchestrated 'he is such a good fella' PR campaign. I would normally agree about 'an accident'. It was no accident. Stewart may not have intended to hit him where he did and send him for six but the action was as deliberate as it gets. An earlier post: Prestia's feet hadn't landed on the ground. He was total exposed. Stewart didn't slow down or try to avoid contact. He wasn't bracing. The point where Stewart hit Prestia appeared close to where Phil Hughes was hit (on the neck). Given Prestia's prone body it was no ordinary hit. If the Tribunal gives any thought 'potential to do damage' they need to make a statement regardless of who it is. Regardless, of the MRO classification it was highly dangerous.

2000 GF dees say 'hello'.

Final Ladder per the Fox Footy predictor PROJECTED FINAL LADDER 1. Melbourne (15.55 projected wins) 2. Geelong Cats (15.1) 3. Brisbane Lions (14.95) 4. Fremantle (14.45) 5. Carlton (14.25) 6. Sydney Swans (14) 7. Collingwood (13.15) 8. Richmond (13) 9. Western Bulldogs (12.2) the-run-home-after-round-15-predicted-ladder

Thank you. I take back that part of what I said. Part of me still feels feel Geelong could have shown more public concern about Prestia's welfare given how vocal they have been about defending Stewart.

A good example of remorse is when Aaron vdb accidently collided with Mihocek. He texted him to check he was ok. Then sent a personal apology note and a bottle of wine to Mihocek's partner. Stewart's and his club's reaction has been selfish and totally self-serving. Even the 'mea culpa' and 'I'll pay the price' comments were self-serving: I made a mistake. But where is the apology! Prestia's family must have been beside themselves. Seeing him contorted on the ground was a sickening sight. That no-one from the club has come out and shown care for Prestia is disgraceful.

'Reckless' no longer exists. It is 'careless' or 'deliberate'.

A summary of The Run Home: My thoughts: We have a harder fixture than all others playing teams 2 to 5 and teams 7 and 8. ' We will make top 4 and a very good chance of top 2. Beat Freo, Lions and Blues and we stifle their chances of top 2. Cats will be top 2 🤮 whether we beat them or not. Want to beat them because of their smugness and lack of respect. The team most likely to drop out of the top 4 is Freo. Lions don't look too safe in the top 4 given the way they played last week. Ironically two teams that can make top 4 due to their easy run home are Carlton and Collingwood. If they do, on my reckoning, top 4 first final will be in Melbourne. Win or lose the first final, all our finals could be in Melbourne. Tigers will replace Bulldogs in the final 8 because of their much easier draw. On the assumption of 15 wins for top 4 Tigers are unlikely to make top 4 🙃☺️. 16 wins could be enough for top 2!! %'age will then be significant.

Gleeson makes a case that Stewart should have been referred directly to the Tribunal and no grading scale (careless, severe, high) applied thereby leaving it open to the Tribunal to consider the circumstances stewart-s-strife But the MRO/Football Manager rating leaves it open to the Cats to argue that it wasn't 'severe' based on other cases. Can't see the AFL now arguing it should have been rated 'deliberate.' Showing my cynicism but could it be that the Footy Manager was looking after his twin bro by rating it at all. On a related note, while Stewart was apparently upset at 'letting the team down' and supposedly a real good fellow I haven't seen an apology to Prestia or a reference to Stewart checking he was/is ok.