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Sounds like a few people on here are trying to con themselves. A bit like jilted lovers. Hogan wasn't really that good after all, not part of the team, didn't do the hard yards, doesn't play well in the big games... In this case I prefer to look at the glass half full approach, we traded out an exceptionally talented kid who didn't want to be with us and in doing so we came away with a better balanced list. Hogan hasn't had a clear run at it since starting with us, back, father, cancer, foot. The only thing that will hold him back now is injury or the like. I'm sure he isn't going to Freo with thoughts of playing with a perennial cellar dweller. They will be a lot better than given credit for and with a fit list will be around mid table to possible finals next season. There biggest problem is going to be the go home factor with some of their kids and I hope we are into them...

Is 'kallangurdemon' the new 'EnterTheDragon' 'Range Rover'.??? Seems to have appeared around the time the last one disappeared and has a similar style shall I say.

Probably more appropriate in this thread...

If Max doesn't have to push back deep, which he shouldn't with May and Lever in the team it gives us a good let out kick from defence with him sitting around HB/Centre/Wing....

I'd like to know why he's not getting a lot of the ball... Feel for the game I think is not so easy to teach. You either have it or you don't. ...but there could be other reasons as you say.

On very minimal watching him it appears the idea of Toby Bedford is better than Toby Bedford. I mean, we really could do with a small forward with pace and x factor but he just doesn't get enough of the footy at the moment or hit the scoreboard. This was also a problem for Dion Johnson who we've just delisted...

...and he can get it, run fast and kick it well 'steve', that's got to be a good thing. We not only get May and Pruess but also Oliver with 2 new shoulders. I thought the odd tackle was slipping toward the end of the season.

We didn't sell the farm, we just brought our premiership aspirations a year closer...

I don't understand how he wins... Made a big song and dance on Friday about pulling out of the Hogan deal and ended up paying what was offered on the Friday. Not much changed except for Bell doing a 180...

Pretty much as I expected... Stirred things up a bit and now off into the sunset he goes... Bye 'RR', can't say it's been fun but it's been

Please leave 'RR' on until at least the trade period has finished 'Demonland'. It's going to be priceless to see the reaction if he's proven wrong...

I know I might not be living in the real world but I would hope Jesse has a bit more respect for our club than that. I don't know him but I don't think he would play that game and throw s.... in the face of the people who have stuck by him through some tough times. ...but you might know him well and this is the expected outcome.

I totally understand your point 'steve', but..... Those picks can be traded, a single pick 5 for Hogan will be unders. A pick in the 20's got us Hibberd so it is of value. We can't just let Hogan go for pick 5 even if it gets us May. Forget KK, he can be picked up with another deal (late pick or future next year) and only muddies the waters in this discussion making us feel good about trading 5 for May. Hogan has a higher value and we should extract that. The difference could be us as a top 4 finisher never to quite make it or as a premiership team. Pick 5 and Langdon would be a good outcome or pick 5 and another pick we could use for another player.

Sorry @joeboy 'EnterTheDragon' - Prolific but wasteful

I think this has become a "Chinese Whisper'" 'old dee'.... My take was that Watson was trying to figure out why Freo had pulled out of the Jessie deal. He thought that maybe they were running scared after the Bennell trade, they were jumping at shadows. For those taking potshots at Watson (an easy target) I didn't hear him as saying Hogan was like Bennell at all, just that he couldn't understand why they wouldn't want to get Hogan over the line. Like many of us he is a bit perplexed at the way they have handled things.

Just wondering if we've had a conversation with Davis... Seeing as GWS seem to be dumping players due to salary cap I'm sure we've at least had a chat. I rate Davis as the best real key defender in the game, doesn't get the love he deserves.

He's got another 3 gears in him 'bub'... I think a few are underrating how good a 23yo who has missed a couple of years of footy will be. I know you don't like statistical comparisons but maybe an interesting maturity comparison is Jack Reiwoldt who was a petulant, sulking, selfish player at a similar age. We're not losing Jack Watts here, this is a serious talent. We need to be well compensated if he moves on.

I don't understand why we don't just delist him... It's obvious on your reading that the kid can't play.

Nice story 'GNF'. Up there with Little Red Riding Hood & a few other tall tales. Make it plausible by using North, they're throwing cash around like confetti. Problem is their offers are for free agents and out of contract players. Oliver is neither. Olivers vague connection to North is that they are an AFL team & he is an AFL player. It didn't make the media because it didn't happen. I have no doubt when Oliver's next contract is due he will get some very large to massive offers and we will need to take good care of him.

It surprise me we haven't yet heard from even more dumbest, Hardie. This is right up his alley...

I'm leaning towards that as well but if it doesn't happen so be it. I just think the off field stuff muddies the waters and all that talk is related to Freo withdrawing their bid whether you mentioned it or not. It's the only reason it's now being discussed. If I posted pretty reliable information I've had on a few clubs/players along with some high profile people well it's not going to happen. That's why I get annoyed with the innuendo, I mean I just added to it but truthfully what off field issues these days effect a players performance unless they are a total basket case and I don't think Jesse falls into this category. Langdon & Nixon are not worth quoting...

If it's more than smoke and the reason Freo have withdrawn their offer it looks like Jesse stays and we make the most of the situation. No point talking about what's not going to happen now or next year. If it's a problem this year and that's what they're pointing to I can't see Jesse wanting to go there next year or at any time, they've burned him. Looks like we've got him and what ever the issue is we will need to sort out, if there is one.

It does matter.. It particularly matters if you are going to use it to back up your argument. Their history is of getting a lot of things wrong, it goes to the veracity of what they are saying. They may well have been told but who told them? the taxi driver? Peter from Peterborough? I get your argument for moving Jesse on and picking up May. it's pretty solid. This sort of stuff as to why Fremantle baulked at the deal is just guesswork.

Nixon, Langdon or 'Chook from Perth' hardly comprise the AFL community. One an outcast the other a big mouth with little of substance to say, just a peg above Brad Hardy who should just about be on cue to open his mouth again. I wouldn't give you "2 Bob" for the thoughts Nixon or Langdon. 'Chook' is a different story, a good poster with a record to match. ...but I'm not sure he was pointing his remarks at Jesse or certain people/culture within the Freo footy club. He was a bit cryptic as he should have been.

If you pick the eye teeth out of this thread I think you will find many similarly delusional...