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I get what you are saying 'Wise' but the back 6 is our glass jaw. The Swans for example when playing well could take a lot of heat in their back half and not give up on the scoreboard. Ours leaks like a sieve when it gets in there. No Hibberd or Lever...having Bernie, Jordan & Nev, the only leg speed being Frost and a first year player basically as the 3rd man up. The loss of form & now injury of Hunt is also a big loss. We can't afford to carry the other 3 in the same backline (Bernie, Jordan & Nev). I mean Menzal is as slow as treacle but found way too much time and space.

I hate a lot of ours too...maybe why I don't go as much these days. Prefer my own company at home.

We don't really...they just haven't fully developed yet. Our core leaders are now the young guns, Oliver, Petracca and Brayshaw along with Max. They are still young and/or inexperienced but stood up pretty well. We were also missing 2 other important young leaders in Viney and Lever. We don't have 3 future hall of famers around the 30yo 200 game experience mark yet. This is one area I'm not at all concerned with (I am with the defence). The Tiges lost all the tight games until it clicked for them, now they win 'em. Cotchin wasn't a leaders boot lace until he was...the same will happen with us.

If Tex is playing he might be a better match up than Frost but it would be a punt 'Dee'... Oscar can take Jane...

That we will never know 'AF'... He did cost us goals through poor positioning though. For what it's worth I probably would have made the move earlier but I'm not sure it would have been that effective & understand why Goodie let it go. He has the closing speed to get a spoil on the ball but Hawkins would have and did give him the run around. Apart from the one I mentioned in the chain to Toohey check one a bit earlier in a pack situation where Frosty couldn't get up to kill the contest then stood flatfooted watching Hawk turn and goal. We don't have the options at the moment so Frost it is unless they want to give Pedders a run down back. Check 5.30min where Hawkins rag dolls Frost and contributes to the goal, 6 min the incident I mentioned above, Frosty is just watching and of course the Toohey one at the end.

If you notice my posts on this I'm talking about Frost's positioning and of course you are right that many things go to a loss of this type. So many what if's...what if Goody hadn't taken Max off for a rest when the Cats got their run on. What if Gawn took that boundary throw in, what if he didn't clash heads with the Geelong player, what if Nichols wasn't the 23rd Cat...lots of what if's... However, Frost lost his spot in the team in a big part due to his positioning. He often finds himself in no mans land, stuck in the wrong places and I'm concerned he hasn't learned his lessons. He keeps making the same mistakes. He's most certainly not 'Dee', go and have another look. Frost is ok when the ball is coming straight at him, apart from that he has no idea.

Exactly, a first year player who is a defender forced to play a forward role. Where was Frost? why wasn't he able to zone off an inexperienced player to help out with Hawk? or to cover space? Make no mistake, his was the final bad decision that cost us the game. Those that think moving him to Hawkins earlier would have been a match winning move are kidding themselves. Hawk probably would have kicked 10.

Not so sure. He had his chance for that one good contest & failed. There are many things that cost us the win but watch where Frost was when Hawkins made position to take the ball on to Toohey. He was in no mans land between where the ball was (ball watching) and Hawk giving him a good 20 to 30 meters break. By the time he realised what happened the damage was done. That as much as anything cost us the game. If Frost was with Hawkins the ball probably doesn't go to him or if it does then maybe he (Frost) kills the contest, but there was no contest. Frost often gets caught in no mans land, Frost often kicks to no one at best, the oppositions advantage often.

The big change I would make is to bring back the real 'DeeSpencer'... This season has either done his head in or an imposter has stepped into the avatar. He was a reasoned poster in the past & even when I didn't agree with him I could at least follow the logic. Seems to be making some pretty extravagant calls of late.

Frost gets drawn in between the ball & his opponent (in no mans land) to late getting back to Hawkins making position in the corridor, marks the ball passes to Toohey & the rest is history. We've got problems with our defence, no doubt about that but Frost is part of the problem, not the solution. What was he doing for the other 95 minutes of the game?

Yes, but you don't see the bigger picture & positional moves which means you are reliant on the clowns they call experts to fill in the blanks. The ones who thought it was going to be a boundary throw in when the behind decision was turned over because it hit the point post & was out of bounds on the full....imbeciles.

Running through the Selwood brothers...

I think I would give Harmes a 9 or10 tonight 'Pick'...he beat Selwood up then did the job on Danger. He's a tough kid and moving along nicely no matter what those who think he should be dropped every week say.

That really hurt 'what'...Goodwin took the punt to rest Max early in the q so he could run it out at the end. ...and then he wasn't there. Funny game football.

Small prop plane probably around about a 20 seater...must look up some old photos.

Yep, mine was a while back now but a harrowing flight that I will never forget. The plane was being thrown around from one cliff face to another, a sherpa woman was screaming at the top of her lungs, one of the monks was laughing in stitches and I was white knuckle holding onto my seat. Know idea what that would do if the plane smashed into one of the mountains but hey that's what you do. Anyway, good to see GC knock over Sydney...lets hope we get the job done tonight and stay safe 'SWYL'... edit: just checked the youtube vid..pretty certain it was a grass strip when I went there and at the end of the strip where you see that cliff face there was an old smashed up plane that miscalculated left there just as a reminder.

Worst flight I ever had was to Lukla... All others cancelled after ours, lucky me. Felt like Dennis' 'Cork in the ocean'.

Caddy was an in & out player at 2 clubs before he found his mojo last year at Richmond...maybe this is the game for Tyson to turn it around. Couldn't come at a better time if it is...

Leg speed like for like, both as slow as treacle. Bugg couldn't go with the likes of Danger...

Think outside the box...look for up and comers on the fringe at other clubs, don't just recycle the same names. Trade our not getting a games or what we have surplus of & trade for needs... Look to trade in to the first round with a package of players.

There are some pretty mean spirited & unjustified things posted on this thread. Seriously....

Thanks for your thoughts Adam... If you are thinking of trading Hogan in a deal for a free agent then you are highly overrating Gaff. A few might also be overrating Tommy Mac if they think we could do without Hogan.

What is this group speak/think you speak of? Don't confuse mob rule with a small bunch of posters who want to engage you back & forth. I see many varied opinions on Gaff and most topics on this forum. I hardly remember a consensus opinion on anything.

Realise that Tim is a Saints supporter for a start, I haven't found him to be WA biased. A bit of a screw loose at times...yeah. ...but I guess we wait and see on Gaff. I would be looking for the next player about to make his mark or not getting opportunity and targeting them rather than or in conjunction with a big fish type player anyway. I'm sure we are...Yeo & Dockerty were taken out of Brisbane and became pretty decent players. Maybe there is one at GC, I know the AFL wouldn't be happy but it's not our job to prop up GC. The Tiges have some small forwards maybe worth a shot.

...not so sure. When he left there were rumours of a rift with Bucks so who knows. Would be a great addition to our list.