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Yep, and then Frost gave up a couple of howlers...all momentum gone.

I thought Frost cost us momentum at the end of the first Q and again at the start of the 2nd Q....he has absolutely no football IQ. Honestly should not play again unless we are down on numbers. We won't need him against the Tiges so Hunt should come back in. Bugg's skills and poor decisions also cost around the same time when we had them on the mat. Hannan back for Bugg. ...and Tyson back if recovered from virus. For those wondering about the value of Tyson, then look at the game today and see how much help Oliver got around the middle.

I will go against the flow a bit here. I don't think the Hawks are any particular measuring stick, just another game we should win. To me they are another mid rung team. Yes these games are dangerous, if we're not switched on we can lose. If we are switched on and playing our best football (we haven't so far this year) we are the better team and will win comfortably. The teams I want to see how we match up on are the Tiges, Sydney and GWS. These games will tell us a bit more about where we sit in 2018.

I don't mind them rotating but when it comes to the centre bounce I hope Oliver is in there. He's far and away our best option and draws opposition attention opening it out for the others if he doesn't get it and with his hands if he does...

Only watched the first half then switched over... Jane Jenkins was embarrassing, but so to were most of the Crows team. The game looked over in the first 10 mins. A question...is Eddie quickly coming to the end? he's really struggled so far this season & appears to be off the pace, the magic has gone missing.

Looks like he rated Ryder a -1 and Grundy is the new Zorro...

Great to see the smiles on faces having fun with footy...

Good post 'jnrmac', I particularly like the dipstick comment. To me Lyon is highly overrated as a so called football expert. Comments like this only enhance that view. Brayshaw’s teammate Oscar McDonald has had a tough start to the season in defence with Ben Brown kicking four goals on him last week, but Lyon backs the 22-year-old to find form. To me Oscar has been going along pretty well and if his teammates didn't gift Brown some goals then his stats would look better...but all is good in the world, Lyon is backing him to find form.

Kingy throws enough out there...he's got to get one right every now and then.

I hope the pressure is on 'Stretch', not saying it will be but if Weideman can fire it will certainly make selection interesting. Tommy had some good games forward last year but I don't think he's a natural in that position. Certainly has good hands and running capacity. This kind of selection dilemma would be a good problem to have though.

No, why would I be? Last year Tommy was a walk up start, it doesn't make it so this year. If Weideman comes in and performs well where does Tommy fit? We're not going to be taking 3 tall forwards into games and Tommy is a bit one dimensional.

If Weideman gets his chance and takes it, the question would be where does Tommy Mac fit??? not who he replaces. To me he's not yet a guaranteed walk up start.

Going by the results so far this year it's hard to say who the bottom dwelling sides will be with the exception of perhaps Carlton & even they had a run against the Tiges. I don't think any of our more astute supporters on this site believe we are playing great footy at the moment but if we stay in the race, work on our game &are playing our best footy in September that will do me & might even be good enough to win a flag. It's along season 'steve'...

I don't think anyone said he wasn't a good VFL level player...but he's not an AFL level forward.

Just because he kicked goals in the last doesn't mean it was the only time he was tried there. He has been rotating forward in the first 3 games as he did again against North. Good to see him hit the scoreboard yesterday, he will get better at the role.

I feel the same with Frost, as a player of course. Good VFL level athlete.

As I mentioned earlier, l think Pedders is done. To expand on that, he's not good enough to play as a forward and his role is as a running ruck. The only time I can see him being considered for selection is as a replacement for Max. Of course this is just my opinion but my reading of the tea leaves is that the FD experimented with Pedders as a key forward in the first 2 games & it didn't work. So for now it's either Weed or carry on with small forwards until Tommy is ready. I think & hope long term it's Weed...maybe just not yet.

Been thinking this for a while though... If he is to make it maybe back is his position as the understudy for Nev...tough kid but doesn't seem to have the tricks or get enough footy to play as a forward/mid.

20 disposals 2 goals & 6 tackles...not his best return but Jacobs has taken some big name scalps in the past. Clarry showed he can handle a tag, great composure for a kid.

Would prefer Frost at Casey...we will struggle in big games if we need to rely on him, he's just not reliable. No football IQ. I hope Petty comes on quickly & Hunt finds form.

I think Pedersen is done. Weed is the option if he shows some form or we stay small until Tommy Mac is ready.

There's a reason a commission was set up to run the VFL/AFL... When the clubs ran it self interest was killing the game. People like Eddie have no interest in altruistic win win endeavours.

Who is the Einstein that has Lever taking kick outs? Have seen it at times in the first 3 games. We have very few marking targets....makes no sense to me.

Time to watch something else...this game is boring me. ...but some quick notes. Dow is not ready for AFL. Bolton is being out coached by Buckley. Collingwood still can't kick to position but being made to look good. Kreuzer not fit/Grundy BOG Some of Blues young guns seem to be going backwards. Who knows what the rules of this game are anymore? seem to change by the week... Bolton in his last year. Murphy not a captain.

Seriously, you don't play someone because you're scared they will leave if you don't. His opportunity will come and he will have to step up and take it...