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I've said this before but seriously they need to can this academy idea. It makes sense in the non football states if they draw the boundaries correctly and not include strong football areas like Southern NSW. Other clubs shouldn't have academies it's just another half pregnant AFL solution to stop a few F...W.... complaining.

Sorry, don't see the comparison apart from athleticism. Frosty has been in the system a while now, his decision making & disposal is what it is & won't get much better. He proved valuable when brought into the team but really is a classic depth player. The big area of difference is in the contest, White was hard to beat one on one where Frosty is hit or miss. Despite his physical strength he often gets out positioned in marking contests. He also dropped some fairly easy grabs that proved costly.

Sounds like a few people on here are trying to con themselves. A bit like jilted lovers. Hogan wasn't really that good after all, not part of the team, didn't do the hard yards, doesn't play well in the big games... In this case I prefer to look at the glass half full approach, we traded out an exceptionally talented kid who didn't want to be with us and in doing so we came away with a better balanced list. Hogan hasn't had a clear run at it since starting with us, back, father, cancer, foot. The only thing that will hold him back now is injury or the like. I'm sure he isn't going to Freo with thoughts of playing with a perennial cellar dweller. They will be a lot better than given credit for and with a fit list will be around mid table to possible finals next season. There biggest problem is going to be the go home factor with some of their kids and I hope we are into them...

That's true...I guess Ben Brown is an exception and this guy has similar attributes. He impressed me on very limited viewing of the GF, liked the way he attacked the footy. If he's there at our pick he could be a good get but then again it depends who else is on the board and where the FD rate them. ...by the way, I'm not neglecting Tommy Mc in the late pick KPF story it's just Brown made a better comparison.

Is 'kallangurdemon' the new 'EnterTheDragon' 'Range Rover'.??? Seems to have appeared around the time the last one disappeared and has a similar style shall I say.

Probably more appropriate in this thread...

If Max doesn't have to push back deep, which he shouldn't with May and Lever in the team it gives us a good let out kick from defence with him sitting around HB/Centre/Wing....

I'd like to know why he's not getting a lot of the ball... Feel for the game I think is not so easy to teach. You either have it or you don't. ...but there could be other reasons as you say.

On very minimal watching him it appears the idea of Toby Bedford is better than Toby Bedford. I mean, we really could do with a small forward with pace and x factor but he just doesn't get enough of the footy at the moment or hit the scoreboard. This was also a problem for Dion Johnson who we've just delisted...

...and he can get it, run fast and kick it well 'steve', that's got to be a good thing. We not only get May and Pruess but also Oliver with 2 new shoulders. I thought the odd tackle was slipping toward the end of the season.

I've seen this argument raised and I'm not so sure that it stands up. I just think after what Jessie has been through with the death of his father and his own brush with mortality that his mind will still be a bit scattered. When things like this happen trite statements like "it's only a game", "makes you think what really matters" etc...get trotted out and it's hard to think through clearly. You actually start to believe it. Missing the finals after what he has been through would have been shattering in itself, he's been around long enough to experience some of the hard times. Then he watches his mates out there playing and winning finals and he's not a part of it. Why wouldn't he want that experience? why wouldn't he want to stay? I don't think even he could really tell you that. He might not have a hunger for the game at the moment, he might never get it back. He certainly had that mean competitive streak early in his career. I don't see this move being about not having a voracious hunger for a flag, I don't think it proves anything. Anyway, enough of Jessie. He's not our player anymore and I hope we smash him and every other non MFC player/club....

All sounds good in theory but we would have had something like pick 16 this year and GC were not going to sell May for that. Collingwood would have loved May but they couldn't get into the game with a low first rounder. May would probably be at the Dogs now if we didn't have the Hogan pick to trade.

Not if he wants to be in Perth... All the could of's in the world won't make it different. Nothing to do with Mahoney and the job he's doing, made the most of the situation, stabilised things and set the team up for premiership success.

“There’s only two scenarios: He’s either a very good actor, or he’s going to stay,” Scott told SEN’s Whateley.

Mahoney doesn't seem like the type to waste his time on pointless games. We could have played harder at the trade table & had an unhappy Hogan with us next season. As you say winning a flag is hard, too hard to be carrying a kid who is going through a lot & doesn't want to be there. I'm not sure he is very clear on what he wants but that's for Ross to sort out now. As an aside, it's going to be interesting to see how Geelong go with Tim Kelly. They played it hard & the coach even called him out as being as a Scully. I have a feeling that it might all end in tears.

I don't buy this line of argument...I've seen it posted by a few people on here and it just doesn't hold up. Whether Mahoney spoke the words or not the hand was sitting on the table for all to see. Even "Blind Freddie" could see that the Hogan & May deals were intertwined. You think Freo couldn't see it?

We didn't sell the farm, we just brought our premiership aspirations a year closer...

I don't understand how he wins... Made a big song and dance on Friday about pulling out of the Hogan deal and ended up paying what was offered on the Friday. Not much changed except for Bell doing a 180...

Pretty much as I expected... Stirred things up a bit and now off into the sunset he goes... Bye 'RR', can't say it's been fun but it's been

Please leave 'RR' on until at least the trade period has finished 'Demonland'. It's going to be priceless to see the reaction if he's proven wrong...

I know I might not be living in the real world but I would hope Jesse has a bit more respect for our club than that. I don't know him but I don't think he would play that game and throw s.... in the face of the people who have stuck by him through some tough times. ...but you might know him well and this is the expected outcome.

I totally understand your point 'steve', but..... Those picks can be traded, a single pick 5 for Hogan will be unders. A pick in the 20's got us Hibberd so it is of value. We can't just let Hogan go for pick 5 even if it gets us May. Forget KK, he can be picked up with another deal (late pick or future next year) and only muddies the waters in this discussion making us feel good about trading 5 for May. Hogan has a higher value and we should extract that. The difference could be us as a top 4 finisher never to quite make it or as a premiership team. Pick 5 and Langdon would be a good outcome or pick 5 and another pick we could use for another player.

Sorry @joeboy 'EnterTheDragon' - Prolific but wasteful

I think this has become a "Chinese Whisper'" 'old dee'.... My take was that Watson was trying to figure out why Freo had pulled out of the Jessie deal. He thought that maybe they were running scared after the Bennell trade, they were jumping at shadows. For those taking potshots at Watson (an easy target) I didn't hear him as saying Hogan was like Bennell at all, just that he couldn't understand why they wouldn't want to get Hogan over the line. Like many of us he is a bit perplexed at the way they have handled things.

Just wondering if we've had a conversation with Davis... Seeing as GWS seem to be dumping players due to salary cap I'm sure we've at least had a chat. I rate Davis as the best real key defender in the game, doesn't get the love he deserves.