Demon Dynasty

Agreed. I have heard some of the past veteran players in the media bandy 60 - 80 games as a rough guide before judging how a new player is rolling. The trouble is though Samael, our list runs very shallow so in many other clubs the depth players or new rookies do their apprenticeship in the VFL for a few years and have to fight like hell before they get a look in at senior level. By then the powers that be have had a fair crack at seeing what type of standard they might be getting as well as years playing the style of game that's needed to break into the seniors under the guide of their VFL affiliate club/coach. I'm not sure we have any such luxuries with our Casey connection or our extremely shallow list. And I suspect it's been this way for as long as the AFL dumped the reserves (for us anyway).

Fair point and he has only played 20 odd matches. They say big fellas take longer to come on as well. We do hav to sort out our big man dept though as we have 4 on the list. 3 if you assume its the Russians swan song. But then 4 again if we include King in the mix.

D'land at its best! Jumbo, Michie may well be VFL standard only as you say but, if he is and i'm not saying he is, there are others around him that might also deserve the badge you have bestowed upon him. CBD that statement isn't quite correct as you can see below. He isn't the highest ranked in either Goal Assists or Goals per game averages so not sure where you're getting your info from. He is up there yes but not leading them as you state. If there's any truth to Jumbo's statement about being VFL standard only, and there may well be, there others that probably also qualify (if you agree with Jumbo) who actually rank worse than Viv in many key areas. Just saying. Take a look gang. I've given you the top 5 plus i've added the regular names that come up quite often amongst D'landers as potential trade bait/VFL standard only type arguments etc as well as a few stand out new (roos drafted) players to see how they're all fairing in a comparative sense. All stats are up to and including Round 9 which is a statistically significant sample in the context of a season (stats courtesy of Footywire). Averages Per Game Tackles 1. Spencer (6.3) 2. Viney (5.3) 3. Vanders (5.1) 4. Brayshaw (4.6) 4. N Jones (4.6) 7. M Jones (4.0) 7. R. Bail (4.0) 14. Salem (3.6 in only his 2nd year!) 21. Grimes (2.5) 22. Howe (2.44) 23. Toumpas (2.4) 24. Michie (2.3) 26. Watts (2.1) Uncontested Possessions 1. Viney (14.0) 2. N Jones (12.4) 3. T-Mac (12.1) 4. Crossy (11.89) 5. Tyson (11.86) 6. Grimes (11.7) 9. Michie (10.0) 11. Toumpas (9.4) 13. Howe (9.1) 15. Salem (8.7) 16. Fitzy (8.5) 19. Bail (8.0) 22. Watts (7.0) Effective Disposals 1. Cross (15.6) 2. Viney (15.0) 3. T-Mac (14.9) 4. N Jones (14.7) 5. Tyson (13.7) 6. Fitzy (13.5) 7. Howe (13.2) 8. Grimes (13.0) 11. Michie (11.3) 16. Spencer (10.2) 20. Toumpas (9.4) 21. M Jones (9.0) 22. Watts (8.5) 23. Bail (8.3) Goal Assists 1. Michie (0.67) 1. M Jones (0.67) 3. Watts (0.63) 4. JKH (0.60) 5. Newton (0.57) Goals 1. Garlett (2.0) 2. Hulk (1.7) 3. Pedo (1.2) 4. Newton (1.0) 4. Fitzy (1.0) 6. Watts (0.63) Contested Possessions 1. Tyson (9.6) 2. N Jones (9.4) 3. Vanders (8.7... DE of 49%! ughh) 4. Crossy (8.4) 5. Vince (7.9) 10. Spencer (6.7) 12. Howe (6.1) 15. M Jones (6.0) 15. Michie (6.0) 18. Grimes (5.2) 20. Fitzy (5.0) 20. Riley (5.0) 26. Watts (4.6) 27. Toump (4.6) I'm going to get served with divorce papers if i keep going so i'll finish up here. Let me know if you want any other particular stat averages or if you would like to know where a particular player sits that isn't listed and i'll post them when the war office is absent!

WYL can i have some of what you're having mate! I've yet to see why he is worth holding on to (until now) other than one half decent game against the doggies

I would be looking at Gawn and Fitz well before Spencil at this point. Not saying Spencil is a match winner or miles ahead either but i think he is a "possible" AFL regular in our best 22 going forward (until we come up with a another soldier (eg., King when ready maybe). The other 2 talls aren't IMO.

What' s happened to Old Dee guys?

I think the Toump over whines selection is just a continuation of nearly a decade's worth of choosing "the wrong option" at the MFC up until PJ came in and appointed Roos anyway. We've paid a massive price for many years of sub par decision making both off and on the field. After so many dumbass deceisions, appointments and selction mistakes It will take twice as long to try and resurect this club. I would advise any member who hasn't already done so to go out and buy yourself about 100 cases of your fav WHINE. I reckn by the time you're onto the 100th case you might finally start to see some light. In the meantime you won't remember any of the crap being dished up on the field.

Do i detect a tiny weeny bit of optimism there Mr dee?

Worth an attempt. Seriously lacking a small crumbing forward. The ball continuously gets crumbed front and square by most other teams' and rocketed out of our forward line with ease......year after year after year.

I guess that's pushing your age up there a bit OD. Apologies. I should have said Korean :-))

Great to hear, or should I say SEE, Bb. Nothing wrong with the humble carrot. P.S. Rohan Welsh is on SEN soonish. Bout to discuss Casey and Hulk etc for those who're interested.

Well I was trying to keep Bb's visionary flame burning there OD. Although going by his latest thread it wld appear his positivity hasn't skipped a beat. You seem to have the inside running on carrots. Is there something heroic in your past that you haven't told us about? Retired WW2 ace maybe? P.S. I think the bombers were eating too many bananas and attracted a few wild monkeys and those monkeys just may have brought in some funny bananas of their own!

BB, it would seem from your first post there that you're heavily reliant on eyesight going forward. I would recommend carrot cake for you at this point!

+1 on this I also don't think he'll come across. Although prior to our dark Saturday meltdown at Kardinia, i think our chances might have been somewhat better, having been able to offer a more settled administration without all the perceived (or maybe real) shyte hitting the fan. I also think that our off field problems will make it hard to snare any of the main contenders now, unless we up the $$ stakes on offer. Which may well be the case from what's being speculated on in the media. Then again, this is the footy media that's speculating. No self interest there of course