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That sounds great! If he can run the lines from half back and is a decent kick he may well find himself getting a chance off HBF this year.

I think we both think the same, that it is a chance, but unlikely. Thats all, sorry you didn't like my wording. back to the thread. If GWS get Tippett do they still take Grundy? Who do they take as their top 3?

Is it possible that we are thinking of using Gillies more as a mid sized back rather than KPD, hows his kicking? Is he fast?

My understanding of Peter Pan drafting was that you gut the majority of the list and replace with extremely young players for a number of years, so that your average age stays extremely young, like Melbourne, Carlton, RIchmond all did recently, and in all of those cases I don't think it has worked nearly as well as approaches like Sydney, West Coast and Hawthorn's where you try to maintain a balance in the age and experience of your list. But I could have that wrong.

Edited OP to include upgraded Rookies and Gillies.

In EQ's interview on morning SEN the day I wrote that comment Emma said that Menzel was top three talent, that Grundy could slip to 7 and in her mind it was unlikely GWS would take Grundy, that with as many picks in the top 10 as GWS has they may take the punt on Menzel's knees and take him with pick three as he is a "game breaker" and "potentially the best player in the draft". I added the qualifier "implied" because obviously nothing is set in stone and there are plenty of reasons GWS may not do this, as she also expounded in the same interview. However, I don't see what is wrong with what I have said, I never said "definately" I never said Menzel wasn't a punt, but that is what I think EQ was saying in that interview, or at least siting as a possibility. Also for the record, saying someone is a "chance to go 3-12" does imply that they may go 3, and in order for that to happen GWS would have to take him.

Actually I think it is far more pragmatic than this, Magner had another year on his rookie spot, as does Couch, there is no rush to upgrade them. Meanwhile Nicho and Evans were out of time and would need to be re-rookied, which could be risky, upgraded or let go. Also I think Magners burnout probably had alot to do with it being his first season of AFL football, I suspect he will last the distance better this year, and would have been upgraded if this were the last year of his rookie contract.

Agree totally WJ, at least the club won't take any of this lying down. At this stage we have heard no concrete evidence, we have evidence of coercion in attaining the hearsay that is currently being bandied around as damning evidence, we won't lose any draft picks this year, our no. 1 attacker appears to be backpeddling and the club is on the frontfoot legally. Looking good for a bad situation.

Sigh, yet again the training thread gets derailed, thanks Maldonboy for your insights and keeping this thread on topic.

No worries. I don't read bigfooty, for one, two, this was the conclusion I reached hearing her on SEN myself in the car. Anywhere from 3-12 still means 3 is possible, and she said it was a "chance", and she said a club with as many high picks as GWS might take that chance. Not to sound contrary, but thats pretty much exactly what I said and what you have unnecessarily corrected.

Cheers BH, not worried, just trying to temper my excitement so I don't let my expectations get too out of control.

Thanks mate, its dissappointing if he can't get back to it, he would be so useful to our team if he could reignite some better form. How did Jamar look in the ruck drills? How was Viney in general, did his kicking stand out as below par generally or was it just certain distances?

If I remember correctly this time last year Aaron was out injured, came back and was running laps on his own or with a coach and looking terribly unfit. Then when he joined the main group he was well out of his depth and fell well behind. I haven't been to training yet, but from what I have heard this year Aaron has done his own mini-preseason post-op to get himself right to do as close to 100% of this pre-season as possible. Add to that the fact that our group is far fitter than last year (running behind last year meant you were behind a group the coaches marked as generally unfit and unprepared) which means even though Aaron is behind he may well be making significant improvement on last year. Also bear in mind that Aaron would know that this is his make or break pre-season and will most definately be giving his all. Also while Neeld wouldn't be banking on it the fact is an in form, fit Davey is exactly what our team needs rotating through HBF, Wing and Forward and if he can get himself into the team he could do something special this year. I'm certainly not writing him off, just in being in the main group at this stage he has made improvement on last year.

Dane Swan maybe?

Please post your report Satyr... The more insight into each session the more we all enjoy the off-season, I would love to see what you had down.

So if Hogan is #1 does that make Dawes #5? That would be exciting.

Tempted to get a Demonolgy account to ask Nick about the training. Is it possible that guys like Watts and Blease have improved in their fitness but that those who were already ahead of them have remained there? Was the training looking easier because they are getting better at it?

Hi HFF. Its great that Fitzy is running well and will hopefully have a full and productive pre-season. I think that having Pedersen will actually help Fitzy as he will have to compete hard for his spot with someone, that at this point in his career, has performed better at AFL and VFL level. If Pedersen is to keep him out he will have to train and play well, as Fitzy is coming on, and if Fitzy breaks into the AFL team he will have earned it, unlike previous years where he has been competing against backmen.

Thanks JTR for a great report! Can we assume these three (+ Clark) are a rehab group as Jonesy said he also wasn't doing the time trial due to some niggles. If so its a little annoying as I would love to see Tappy get a free run at pre-season for a change. Go dees!!!!!!

Hopefully he will have to...

Casting a wide net there...

Rodan at his average to best is superior to Bail, who played many games this year, that's who I think he will replace, I think there is room for him if he plays well.

Dawes will suprise a lot of people. Davey is my smoky from biggest improver, he's coming from far enough back whilst his best is so good, that there is scope for one of the biggest improvements of all time.

I'm hoping so

EQ on SEN this morning implied that GWS would take Whitfield, Toumpas and Menzel at 1, 2, 3, with Grundy to slip as far as 7. She stated that Menzel had the potential to be the best player in this draft as he can break a game and that a team like GWS with so many high picks would probably see him as worth the risk.