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Are you serious? You can't be. Freo's list is way superior to ours and has been for years. The list they have this year is largely the same as they've had for the last 2-3. They have an elite regular AA, arguably the best ruck-man in the AFL - and definitely an A grader,a couple of players just below A grade level and another handful of players that would get a game in any league side. On top of that they have a core of players who are seasoned AFL players. Melbourne has none of these things. Lyon would have looked at that list and been confident of a finals campaign. There is absolutely no way on earth that if he had gone to the dees he would have thought the same - no way. He must be spewing they didn't get Clark as if they did they would have been a chance to sneak into the top 4..

Not for the first time Ron, i'm in furious agreement with you. I was thinking something similar today when listening to 7774 (and a bit of SEN) analyse the freo game. In short on both stations they were saying how Lyon had come in an straight away looked to turn the culture around, in particular in regard to players preparedness to the necessary training to get to AFL standard. Walters and Crowley were playerd who were said to have bee given an ultimate - shape up or ship out. Both rose to the challenge. They also noted Lyon's mantra of play yourself in in to team or play yourself out and his complete almost myopic focus on team, roles and systems as opposed to individuals. Sound familiar? If we had got Lyon i suspect he would have taken a very similar approach to the one Neeldl has taken. And to be honest i doubt he would have had any more success. Freo are a seasoned team, with many players who have played more than 100 games and some genuine star - and one super star. I for one and not surprised at all they are doing so well.

4515 posts........Give us a spell. Please.

And when Hogan ended up in a spot on the ground where he shouldn't be we could all yell "Rouse, Rouse, Rouse!!!!!'

Unlike the rest of us.

Its a strange old world, the virtual one. A place where a guy with 130 odd posts can come over all superior to a guy with (shock horror) only 27 posts and totally slag him off for posting a rumour on a site where the most ridiculous things are regularly posted (and more shock horror, often by people with huge numbers of posts) and credibilty is measured in relative number of spelling mistakes. Jeez loiuse! And 'seeya'? Who are you - the lion king?

If they trade Martin they have to pick up the young guy in the MD. I need a player to call My Favourite Martin

"I am told from a well known players manager that as many as 15 have indicated a desire to leave the MFC. That is one third of the list." GNF Lets assume the player manager is correct about this. That means two thirds of the list want to stay and are committed to Neeld's vision. As i said on anoter thread the only way we are going to improve as a club is if we have all 40 odd players on the list 100% committed to the vision. This is true of all really successful elite level sporting teams. I suspect Neeld will be more than happy to assist those 15 players to leave the club - at least 12 of them will most likely go in this trade period alone (perhaps all 15?). They will replaced by players who like Clark will buy in from the get go. I for one can't wait - even if that means losing some quality players and a couple more years of pain. Neeld's recent comments about how he liked the approach of Hardwick at Richmond gives a great insight into Neeld's thinking. It should be remembered that Harwdick heavily cut the tigers list replacing them with players who bought in to his vision and who play the game how he likes it to be played. I'm heartily sick of demon players who play on their terms. The last time a dees team was completely committed to the cause was under Northey. That's way too long ago. Will Neeld's approach work? I don't know but i'd rather take that rtisk than go down the road of players calling the shots and leaking their concerns via social media and managers. 15 players want out? Good - there's the door.

I read this when it was first put up and had a weird vision of the team laughing like a bunch of private school boys in the hall as a hilarious prank was pulled on the mean (but secretly loved) PE teacher. Made me shiver.

HG, interesting stuff as usual. You noted early in the season, and again more recently that Neeld had gone very hard early on and may well have 'lost' some players. I shared those concerns early on, was prepared to wait and see but certainly he took a pretty full on approach that carries a great deal of risk. But i have changed my mind on this recently. I suspect that Neeld knew right from the get go he would be ruthless with cutting players etc at the end of this season and i think had a pretty good idea how few players were up to his requirements. Cutting Cook (which i just found out about and was pretty bloody surprised about - but it is an incredibly gutsy call) is an example of how ruthless he will be. Given this, a full on approach perhaps was necessary - no point building strong relationships with players who you are going to axe, in no small part due the risk they might want to stay (eg Moloney). If that means losing someone like Rivers then so be it. Perhaps he was prepared to be hated by his players (and perhaps even feared) if that is what it takes to turn this club around. Taking that approach takes some courage, particulalry as a first time coach who if he fails at Melbourne may well never coach senior footy again. One presumes he has the backing of the board with this approach. This is a root and branch rebuild and it is absolutely necessary. He can start building a strong interpersonal relationship with his acolytes, a point made well by a poster somewhere in this thread. He needs a team who play for him and do whatever is asked of him. A team of Neeldbots. As you point out a there are massive risks with this approach, not least of which being not getting good enough players but also that enough players won't buy in. But in my view it would be a greater risk to keep any players on the list who are not 100% committed to Neeld's vision. This is such a crucial trading period. I share your concerns but perhaps am a little more confident about our capacity to attract senior players as i suspect some players will be sold by Neeld's fanaticism, despite the rumblings of discontent from exiting and even some players who are staying. I'm sure also that the thoroughness you talk about will net us a WAFL, VFL or SANFL player who will come straight into the side and buy into the Neeld regime.

I'm with Nasher on this one. To be honest i have a sense of relief about LJ going. Don't get me wrong, he is one of all time favorites. Reminds me in lots of ways to Allen Jackovich - brilliant, creative, entertaining - but destined to only give us a small dose of his magic. But, with his off field stuff, the least of which probably being the court case, he would have continued to take the clubs focus away from where we need to be. If we were travelling better perhaps we could absorb some of that distraction, but at the moment it could only make the clubs chances of getting it right even more difficult. Put simply we are not in the sort of shape to be able to deal wit the distraction. As for the way he has left, i understand people feeling a little aggrieved but really its just part of the whole package. He is got so much going on his life right now that his capacity to make well thought out, smart calls would be impaired. And besides in some ways he has done us a favor by quitting now - better than rumors of trades etc bubbling to the surface and being a further distraction. One thing i would say about the timing etc is that i reckon we would have got nothing trade wise from either Port or the Crows, so quitting later and holding out for a deal would have achieved little All power to the club saying they would continue to provide personal support, its a terrific example of a mature response that is in keeping with the unfathomable complexity of what is going on for LJ. He is lucky he has got Rudeboy in his lfe and i concur with other posters who bristle at any implication he has got his own agenda. Of course though says more about a poster making that inference not Rudeboy. I saw LJ turn it on and will always have those memories. I wish him all the best and if that means playing for the Crows or Port then good luck to him. However, unfortunately i don't think we will ever see hi play AFL again. I hoped to be proved wrong, but jeez he will be coming from a long way back. Port will hesitate because they, like Melbourne have enough to worry about at the moment and Adelaide have their forwards (even if they lose Tippet), he is unlikely ever to have the tank to play another role and if aunt broke don't fix it

Straight swap for Caddy?

Then, what prey tell, do you intend to do about it (other than post inane comments and silly polls).

The moderators have become too conditioned to the rubbish (and multiple threads that all come back to the same thing) RR posts on this site. Sounds like a troll. Smells like a troll. Tastes like a trolls. Is a troll They shouldn't tolerate it any more. Discuss.

I never said i don't rate him. I've always been a fan, well at least before this year during which he has been poor. None the less I'd be happy for him to stay and have not once suggested we cut him - and nor has the club. If he did stay however his form would want to improve or his year would be spent in the 2's. What i don't rate is attitude this year and to how he has decided to go about shopping himself. We needed him to stand up on and off field this year. I don't know about off field but on field he has been poor. The club he supposedly loves deserved more as did his and the clubs fans. Compare his approach to Rivers, Jamar, Green and Sylvia. Again to be 100% clear, he is the one looking for the exit. If he watns a reprieve then stop looking, commit to the cause and stop tarnishing his reputation.

This is exactly what i'm confused about. This post seems to be similar in tone to others where Moloney seems to be portrayed as some sort of victim. What exactly does he have to complain about? What do you mean others will getting a reprieve? The report is that he is quitting! We're not sacking him (yet). I'd be more concerned for the fellas like Pettard who probabaly won't get a reprieve - and who haven't used their managers to put rubbish out to the media a day before our last match of the year when our focus should be on winning a game of footy, not Moloneys intentions about his future - yet another example of putting himself before the club - a club he's supposed to bleed red and blue for. I bet his team mates would be really impressed - not.

To be clear, the reports are that Moloney is 'quitting' the dees - we are not sacking him (yet). No doubt this is manoeuvring on his and his managers part, but he is the one wanting out.

I don't know about the trade bit. Are you sure? Even if if it is technically possible i can't see how it would work in practice. If we made him an offer, which he accepted, in order to trade him to another club, then couldn't get a trade done we would be stuck with him. Not a scenario club or player would be happy with. Like Cloke Molnoey may have snookered himself. What club will be be prepared to play top dollar for a player who is slow and is coming off a poor year. His form is completely exposed - unlike a player who has been playing seconds beucase he is on the outer. Ask the question - where will he come in this years bluey? Top 10? No? Why is that, given he has been injury free, is a mid fielder in a side with a weak midfield and is in the prime of his footy life.

I'm with RR on this - scary but true. What is this business about somehow Moloney should be aggrieved or he has been hard done by by the MFC and specifically Neeld. Neeld played him almost all season, only dropping him near the end of the season, when on form he easily could have been dropped way earlier. Even if there was a big chance he was going to go Neeld gave him the chance to maximise how much another club would offer him (which we would had to match if we wanted to keep him). As someone about to come a RFA this was a fantastic opportunity. If Neeld wanted to make life hard for him he could had left him at Casey all season. So he was dropped from the leadership group. So what? Don't forget he was also dropped from the leadership group the year before by a differnt coach for getting smashed and allegedly urinating on a bar. So was was Green who also lost the captaincy. Green was also dropped form the senior side half through the season. Did he drop his head? No he continued to give it his best all season. Moloney on the other hand, despite being a professional footballer clearly did not. Other senior player like Rivers and Jamar have been terrific. Moloney's response to being dropped was to sulk and show absolutely zero on field leadership (and by most acconts the same could be said for his off field leadership). Put bluntly he as been [censored] poor this year. He doesn't like Neeld or the direction the club is taking? His nose is out of joint? Doesn't like the roles he been asked to play? So bloody what. He's a professional - if he's happy to cash the cheques then rise above stuff like that, play to the best of your ability and look to move on at seasons end.Not sulk, point and not put in. And to to top it off he has authourised his manager to shop him mid season and tlak about going to Port to mentor young players. I mean really. I thought he loved the club, bleeds red and blue yada, yada, yada. Funny way of showing it. What about his responsibility to the supporters, to the club? Neeld isn't the club, he's the coach. Don't like him. Fine, suck it up, if selected for the seniors play like your life depends on it and then move on. I'm sorry I've lost alot of respect for him this year. Six clubs might want him (though i really doubt it, more likely his nuffie manager is putting out rubbish again) but i would bet London to a house brick that whatever club he goes to next year he will be on less coin than he has been this year. Which will say alot about how he is rated. So what is that the dees have supposedly done to poor little Beamer? Can someone explain? To clarify the RFA rules. If we match an offer from another club we keep him - or he can put himself in the draft (or presumably we could, if we matched the offer, trade him, though i'm not sure about that). He can't choose to go in that scenario - otherwise there would be no difference to an unrestricted free agency. He will be offered a smaller salary than the one he is currently on IMO - as he should given the year he has had (which it should be noted has been injury free)

How would i know he had it if i hadn't seen him use it?

He'll be with us - of that i have no doubt what so ever. As i have said on other threads he is exactly the sort of hard working player Neeld wants at the club. No way Neeld will axe him.

Would love a list of the top 10 aliases and/or posters with multiple posting names. Perhaps we could do a poll?

I'm not sure i 100% agree with you.

You know i wouldn't be shocked if he does get elevated into the LG. A good way to encourage some people to step up is to tell them you think they have it in them and that its time they do so. Might be another example of Neelds man management approach'.

Not trying to be a smart arse Junior, but this business about trading Boak for Beamer tends to weaken your credibility on the trade front. Has the hundreds of related posts not alerted you to the fact that Moloney is a restricted free agent? If he want to go to Port all they have to do is offer him an amount that is more than we would be willing to match to keep him (which to be honest i don't think would be much, especially given we ill get compensation if he goes to another club as a FA). Boak is unlikely to come into the equation (unless we did something weird like match their offer in order to force a trade, but we won't do that and i'm not sure that it is within the rules anyway)