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I was frustrated.....

On SEN this morning that ex umpire Humphrey used exactly the same expression ie he as really frustrated. He also said that Viney was out of line with his response and the free should have been reversed or the 50 not paid. On another note he defended the deliberate out of bound decisions in that game.

Apparently Rance's actions were justified given how frustrating his night (and year) had been, By that logic under Neeld the whole demon line up would have been justified to knock out whoever they pleased.

I agree with this, partly. I think M Jones will come back in. His two way running is an important piece in our puzzle, particularly against the saints as they have a similar game plan and the ball will be pinging from end to end all game, putting a premium on players who can gut run to defend against the ball that gets over our high press (by the by Hunt's speed has been very important in this regard as has Frost's fitness). Not sure who gets cut for Jones though.

The tracc gave himself thr CP5 moniker - which is kind I'd funny. Anyway if its good enough for the tracc its good enough for me. Go CP30!

Not everyone, Bob - certainly not me. I get the points you are making I disagree with much of what you say in the post the above quote is from (i don't mean that in confrontational lest have an argument way - perhaps its better to say i disagree with the thrust of your argument, or maybe the premise). Without dissecting your post a few points i'd make are: Roos stated early on that the critical element of his game plan is not defence but rather players are who are support competitive and attack each contest accordingly. he reiterated that after the NAB in a long article that i've referenced before, in which he pointed out that all the current MFC coaches share that philosophy He also stated at the start of his tenure was to set up the club for sustained success and a realistic shot at premierships (a la Hawthorn) He will be judged on that goal not how quickly or otherwise a modern game plan is implemented. None of your examples of coaches, with the exception of Beveridge really support an argument that implementing a game plan quickly assists setting up a culture of long term success or even short erms sucess for that matter. And you could mount an argument that Beveridge is building on the work done by Macca to bed down the defensive aspect of the game Yes Daniher did well to get that team to a prelim but it was frightening how quickly we fell away and have been in the abyss ever since, in large part because of our inability to stop teams smashing us Hinkley? - well they might have implemented a shiny new attacking game plan but if the wheels have not falled off they are wobbly and that is at least partly because their defensive structures are falling down and there was no better example than last week when GWS opened them up like we used to be regularly opened up A better comparison might be Clarkson who developed his game plan over time and recruited the right players to fully implement the attacking game plan that has become the modern templete Lastly you say that it is arguable that 'Roos is an old style coach focusing on defence because that is what worked for him at Sydney'. Well he might have been, once. And he did win a flag when a defensive style was the template for success. But taking in the NAB cup (yes, yes i know) we have scored over 100 points in 5 of the 7 games. Surely this is evidence that Roos has adapted his game plan to be much more attacking. Or does Goodwin get all the credit for that? Of course Roos should be open for criticism but surely also equlaly credit where credi is due and the proof is in the pudding.

One of my favorite players. IIRC kicked 5 goals in a game early in his career and we all thought we had our next gun. Terrific mark. Never quite fulfilled his potential.

Very good.

I don't usually engage in the weekly selection debate as i usually get it wrong and whilst i can see others enjoy it (which is cool) i don't quite get why as we have zero control over it. But i guess given i like punting is a bit silly. Anyway i'll give it a go this week. By the by my prediction will be who i think will get dropped/selected not who i think should get dropped/selected. Assuming Garlett is fit (and i really hope he is) he def comes in with Vince. So that's two in. So two come out. History suggests there is usually one or two players carrying a niggle and we are in the brilliant position of not having to carry any one. However lets also assume the team is niggle free. Thus far in this thread the players most frequently mentioned as a chance of being dropped are Bugg, Hunt, Brayshaw, M jones, Pederson, Oliver and Frost. Looking at that list i'd make the following comments: there is no way Bugg gets dropped; a tackling machine that Roos loves, too tough and a young team needs some tough mid twenty enforcers. Frost is a lock - an important part of the team's structure and they will give him plenty of time to settle in. His pace is very important as is his height in terms of stretching back lines and creating macth up dilemmas. Besides, had his best game on Sunday I can't see Hunt getting dropped as its not Roos style to drop a player after a debut game, particularly one who did well. Pederson: always a chance to get dropped unfortunately for him but geez he would be stiff as he played really well on Sunday Brayshaw? Is he carrying something? If not i can't see him being dropped Oliver: thye will definalty learn from how Brayshaw tired last year and will get a rest at some point. But not this week. Crazy as it sounds he is too important for us coming into a big game and i suspect they have been managing him to prepare for this game M Jones: i'm a huge fan and he has been terrific. His gut running is important for the team. So based on the above and who is coming back in (a forward and running, half back flanker/mid) i think the short straws will go to Pederson and M Jones. Stiff but there you go.

I heard something similar. Also that there were some concerns his injury is quite bad Oh source: some bloke at the footy

You might be right. There are a few ahead of him for a defensive position and believe it or not i would not be shocked if Terlich gets a game first (strong pre-season, lost 8kgs, kudos from the coach and has been playing well at Casey - eg 40 touches yesterday). It would be a real shame to not see Grimes gain. He has been a brilliant club man who was thron to the wolves when made captain. I agree that M Jones vulnerability is his kicking. What he does bring is his relentlessness running which as i said about Hunt is crucial in the 2016 high press game. He will always be on the cusp but clearly the coaches like him. It was curious to see Cheney play for the rampant Crows. A similar player i would suggest in that whilst he has limitations he runs hard, plays his role and extract the maximum from his talent through hard work.

I am Grimes fan and i think he is often unfairly maligned on DL. I watched the last quarter of the Casey game and as you say his class showed out. He can definitely get back in the seniors but as i have said i think whilst kicking skills are not as bad as some suggest (and as you point out his DE is usually pretty good, though i'd contend that's at least partly because he favors little dinky passes) he isn't damaging enough with his kicks. As someone noted i see Grimes in Jett's role of the lock down small defender, so he may struggle to get back whilst Jetts is fit - unless there is a game where two such players are needed. I think this why they trialed him on the wing ie because he is going tot struggle to get picked at HB. In any case not a bad dilemma having such a good player struggling to force his way into the team.

I agree on Brayshaw in the EFC game but with respect your comments were in relation to the selection of Wagner in the North game in terms him not having earned a call up (and were made in support of Bagdad Bobs post making this point)

They got their selections spot on. As i have said the Wagner selection was both about the now and the future. The same goes for Hunt, whose speed addresses one of our biggest issues (lack of leg speed) and is critical in being able to cover the scenario where the ball get over our high press and players have to really push back to cover free forwards. They picked the side that they believed gave us the best chance of beating Collingwood (and North for that matter). The coaches are imploring their players to be brave and they are doing much the same with their selections. More power to them.

As a rule i don't like to quote myself. But rules are meant to be broken. Its nice when a game plays out how you thought - particularly if that the preview involves predicting a dees win. A great win by the boys and am so gals i went (snuck in the last quarter of the casey game too). At one point the pies got a (lucky) centre clearance and i heard a pies fan yell 'finally a centre clearance!!!'. How things change. I've spent much of the last 10 years yelling much the same thing. Its brilliant that we are now winning more than our fair share of centre clearances.

So did i. I backed them at $17 to win by more than 39.5. Hogan and Jones both missed sodas in the last and owe me 500 clams

Sing the above to this tune - add derailing Buckley and Wattsy shining https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwiAu7Lb0pXMAhWEFZQKHZlIC9oQyCkIHjAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dh4UqMyldS7Q&usg=AFQjCNFSSYpU23gvCY382MZqXMc6HNhMEA&bvm=bv.119745492,d.dGo

That's right - so perhaps some punters might know there might be a withdrawal, say Hogan - or more likely might have heard rumors on fans sites such as DL. The pools on individual games of football, spread as they across multiple betting agencies, are small so it doesn't take much to move the odds (and they generally follow each other)

Thanks for that.

Can't think of a funny way to say this using rhyming slang but In and his brother (whose first name escapes me) played or Geelong in the 70s (and early 80s) and were both guns. Ian was one of my favorite non MFC players

Source on Watts? (PS can DL add to code of conduct that where there is an injury and perhaps also a trade rumor that failure to provide the source is against the code?)

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Source?

Maybe, but Maxy will kill Cox - in all areas. This should give us a huge advantage at stoppages

I have to say i'm a bit gun shy backing the dees but good value i agree. The real value might be over 39.5 at around $13. I think the pies are vulnerable to a big loss. They will come out breathing fire but that will suit us down to the ground as that's our go these days. Its one reaon why i had was reasonably confident going into last weeks game (ie the roos are a physical side and like hard footy) Their problem is their system, offensively and defensively. They are struggling to put a score on the board and stopping the opposition scoring. 120 points to the saints last week is a huge worry for a defensively minded unit (usually). If we get on top i suspect they might crumble.