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Could not disagree more

Can't believe some of the comments in this thread. Blimey it is two weeks into a new season. Didn't have a great first half against the cats, was ok in the second half (part of a back line that gave up 17 points in the second half on a perfect day for football - compare and contrast to the point the Hawks gave up last week) and was fine last week. And please, no more comments along the lines of 'how about we play him in the role we got him for'. Last time i checked he is a defender. He is playing as defender. I doubt he has a clause in his contract that he can swan around and be Captain Zone Man. Some make it sound like he has god given right to not have to play a man on man role. Maybe, just maybe the coaching staff have a strategy in mind. For example freeing up Hibberd to play the sweeper, zone role given he is a much better and much more penetrating kick than Lever.

yeah, just like people choosing to disinvest from coal producers. i mean tge coal is still going to come out of the ground one way or another. so pointless

which is terrific. let some other blood suckers benefit

I assumed at first this related to the annual discount New Balance give to MFC members. Does anyone know if that is happening again this year?

Some good points, particularly the one about not having TMac at his disposal. Tmac up forward is critical from a structural point of view, in terms o fGoody's game plan. We reacted a bit better this weel with much fewer long bombs but clearly it is an importan part of our stategy and Tmac is central to it. I think a real issue is our on field leadership, which is no great shock as it has been for meany years. The two most effective ways to stop a team with momentum is slowing the game up and keeping possession (the hawks under Clarkson are the best modern example of this) and scoring a golas against the run of play, which the best teams find a way to to do - and often it is the out and out start that hets it (think Gary Ablett at the Cats, or Dangerfield or more recently Martin). I guess there is a third way. Combining the firts two. We don't seem to have the ability to take the pace out of the game and lack the real star who can will himself to change the course of a game - and then deliver. The first is about leadership and but the second is about having the right players. The leadership option requires a handful of players and outside of Viney i'm not convinced about our on field leadership (Jones makes too many bad decisions - like his choice to go wide to Melksahm from the corridor in the last when we desperately needed a forward entry). But i'm confident Trac, Oliver and Hogan have the star quality and Viney has the will power to chage the course of games in the next few years.

I think you'll find the problem is some people have very long memories and have to go back to the Northey era to remember a time when we routinely flogged teams

But if we win it could be Name 3 bad things

G'day punters. Super tricky day at Rosehill tomorrow, a bit more straight forward at Mornington Best bet (and my best of the Autumn thus far): Gailo Chop- a ratings special if ever there was one. At 115 a full 6 points (and therefore 6 lengths) clear of the next best. Loves rain affected going with 3 wins and second from 5 starts on the slow and 3 from 3 in the heavy. 6 from 12 at the distance is not too shabby either. Has Zahra on board who is in hot form. Best value: Peribsen Best long shot: Ball of Muscle (with apologies to Fragonard) And if you want o make some some small change can't go wrong backing Kah in Adelaide for the jockey challenge. not sure what she is tomorrow as they don't put the market up until the morning, but i doubt will be much over 1.50. But she will win easing down. if she is much longer than 1.50 then good value

Punting throws up so many up and downs. Confidently backed Sprightly Miss as it appears many others to do. Won on int an it also got the me the early quaddie a couple of times (crazy small such as it was). Until it the protest scuppered both. Backed Unforgotten in the next and lsitedn to it on my phone. As it so often seems to lost connection with 600 to go with unfogotten at the rear and was annoyed i din't stick with my first thought, Renewed. Only for transmission to resume 30 seconds after the race and he he is giving the price for unforgoten. Crazy. The next in Sydney i came down Silent Sedition and Daysee Doom and zigged not zagged and went Silent Sedition and stupidly din't put a saver on DD despite the fact i love that horse. Did a wide trifecta with 7 horses. Would have got it, albeit with small percentage if i had not got greedy and changed my mind to chase the first four instead and box those numbers. And as i write the Answer my friend gets nutted on the line, which balance the ledger after Sprightly Lass gets there by a 'pixel'. Then loses on protest.

Well it hasn't been a carzy leaders track as it turns out - but still best to be up front. My others bets for melb are: Race 3 Demerrara Race 4 no 3 Metronome 5 Race 5 no 3 Hellova St 5 Race 6 no 4 He Ekcels 5 Race 7 no 8 Theanswermyfriend, saver on no 13 Burrrums Buzz Race 8 no 6 Snipfit and no 12 Filbert Race 9 no 2 Blue Tycoon saver on 1 Milwalkee

I did my form for Flemington based on it being a leaders tracks and if i proved to be correct was confident Holbien would lead and win. It looks like i was right about the leaders track and if so i could well be in for a good day as i have backed leaders from go to whoa.

G'day punters. Had a funny day last week. had to last at Fleminton to get a winner there but blitzed at Randwick to end up with a nice profit. Best etc today: Best Bet: Hear the Cahnt Best value: He Ecksels Best longshot: Latin Boy

G'day punters. My best was Gailo Chp so will have to find another. Best Bet: Shillelagh Best value: Shillelagh Best longshot (each way): Supido Lay of the day: kalemantari Good luck

Speaking of value, i know this is a horse rac8ng thread but Melbourne is currently 2.25 against the cats. That is brilliant value. If i was framing that market i would have us slight favs at about 1.80. Might have to have a go at that (and perhaps also over 39.5) and unlike futures in racing there is no risk of us not starting!

No. In that scenario better to anchor redzel (assuming you really think its going to win) and avoid the temptation to go wide in the other races. Lets say you had redzel as an anchor and had say only two in the other for $40 you get the quaddie 5 times. It might only pay $80 but you get $400. You might also put a small saver on a horse in redzels race to cover redzel getting rolled (like the redkirk warrior example - a horse i love as i backed it in tge Newmarket last year) But most people would spend their $40 by something like 2, 5 and 4 in the non ancor legs. And at best double their money. The tab love it. Much better value to be had to anchor a horse that is say 2.70 - 3.00 as usually there is a horse at similar odds that most quaddie punters can't resist putting in.

Dixie blossoms had the rating to overcome the negatives in its form i didn't like. Good win. As i have said we put our bets on in the morning and i work my stake out around the price it is then. She was $4 at 11am. Came right in. With quaddies sometimes going one out with a really short fav can mean its hard to get value, particularly when horses near the top of the market win the other legs . It can better to take a punt on a shortish horse rather than a raging fav you like in a small field. Or else else take the short fav and don't go too wide in rhe other legs and try and get it a few times .

Did you pick rimraam or the other one? Rimraam was terrific value. Good get. The early quaddie at Flemington was like Sydney's usually are. Small fields in first few legs with one staying race. My mate who I bet with hates quaddies (and all exotics bar thise in the big four races for that matter) because of the takeout and he figures it us better long term just to put more on tgecwinners. And with good reason. We never get them. But I was super confident in those first three legs.. went wide obviously in the last, a race that was diabolical and I out in every horse I marked as a chance. You have have at least one stand out to get 100% (who wants 5%?).

At Flemington got Nomotaj, Aloft, Hear the Chant and Flippant and snagged the early quaddie (taking Hear the Chant and Aloft one out, Oregon Day and Flippant in the third leg and 10 horses in the last leg - i actually watched the third leg last, having missed that race. Fun because Oregon Day and Flippant were the only chances 200 out). I also snagged the trifecta in the 8th boxing up 3 horses ( i backed Crystal dreamer and i'm Wesley and thought the latter was going to win). In Sydney i got the Winx trif x 5, Dixie Blossoms and Osborne Bulls and in Morphetville got the etta james Master of Art quinella. Top day.

You're probably right on big Danny Hughes but he did make All Australian in 1988 and won the bluey in 1985

Some good points PD. Agree on the importance of an elite defender and Lever is not far away from being a true A grader. He has huge upside because i suspect he will push himself to improve throughout his career. A great get. I have been a huge dees fan since the mid seventies and agree that this is the best in my time. In addition to an elite defender to have chance of winning a flag in the modern era teams need 10-12 decent players capable of playing in he middle and at least 2 of them have to legitimate A graders. We have never had that in the time i have supported the dees. Wes till don't quite yet but Oliver and trac will get there and Viney gives so much of himself he almost gets in that group by dint of effort. Add gawn and we have the makings of a premiership midfield. The other piece of the puzzle is Hogan. I find it amazing that he seems to have dropped a little in the collective imagination. he is a star, pure and simple and the best forward we have had since Ox fist few years. Interesting comment that we have not had an elite defender since the 70s. I disagree, though acknowledge it is debatable. I think Gary Hardeman was elite. Steven Icke was probably not in that top class by the time he came to the dees (as a forward) but he was terrific at the dees. And Sean Wight and Danny Hughes, if not elite were not too far off it.

I had a huge day. Six straight out winners, a good trifecta (the 8th iin melb), a good quinella (in Adelaide) and the early quaddie in melb. Top day.

Well my confidence in the first half of the day has been well placed - at least at Flemington. No winners at randwick as of yet but backed the first four winners at Flemington and nailed the early quaddie. Twice. I love days when you are up early because the stress of losing is taken away. Top wins by Aloft and Hear the Chant, which were both great odds.