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Say what you want about clarry, but even in his current form he is a better option than any mid running around at Casey.
They're using AFL matches to get him fit. We might still see clarry somewhere near his best by seasons end.
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On 23/06/2024 at 12:40, dees189227 said:
What did he have to say?
From 13:03 of this link:
Key points:
- 'Look at the results this weekend' - it's a tough comp
- Focus when Roos were closing in - addressing some of the poor posture and body language in last couple of games
- If you look at the vision 'id hope you'd see' some improvement in that space
- 'They got within a kick with 4 mins to go (actually was 4:35), we were able to hold up in the last 4 mins' - good 'defensive actions'
- The Roos attacked and we were looking to 'score too much' in the last
- The Roos 'brought a couple of numbers to stoppages late' which we 'probably didn't react quick enough' to
- Clayton has been playing a defensive midfield role this season - 'people don't see that', but he has been 'playing a completely different role' which frees up other mids and explains his drop in possessions
- He was freed up to be more attacking this week, but got tagged
- Handled it ok after the first 15-20 mins
- Clarry tried to go to Davis Uniake, freed up Jack to play his game
- Clarry working super hard and hopefully will get back to his best 'in the next few weeks'
- Next week's game - 'i left last night really, really pumped' to play Brisbane
- 'I'm really pumped' for Friday night (he said this twice)
- We have a rivalry with the Lions
- He's 'set it up so well, Goody, that i think we are going to see a strong effort from our club up there'
- 'I can get a bit too personal' in terms of focusing on his ruck battles
- Winning clearances critical at the GABBA
- Not 'concerned' about our forward line
- Still haven't seen Tracc - still in isolation
- Where do you see this group in terms of playing your best footy in the back half of the years?:
- Love to be where the Swans are but 'we've been there, in 2022 we were 11 zip and went out in straight sets'
- Its all about being in form in the right part of the year, referencing the Blues and Giants last year as examples of teams hitting form at 'the right part of the year'
- Excited to try to get there - 'not there yet, but hopefully with a couple of little tweaks and we keep smacking in on the contest and our defence side of our brand and hopefully get there by the back half of the year'
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3 hours ago, dino rover said:
I think the reference is to loading
implication we used the bye to put some hard work in on the track and are leg tired as a result
Indeed.
We have struggled pre and post bye since burgess was made high performance manager (well, from 2021 - we didn't get a proper bye in 2020 because of covid)
2021: post bye we could only manage 68 points in a scrappy 11 point win over an average bombers side.
In the lead up to the bye we had two 'uncharacteristic defeats' in our previous four matches.
2022: post bye, we came out running on top of the ground, and in a shock result flogged the lions by 62 points at the gabba.
It was a shock because prior to the bye we had been in terrible form, losing 3 on the trot (having won our first 10 games) - freo flogged us at the G by 38 points, the swans rolled us the g and we could only manage 56 points against a very average pies team, who won by 26.
2023: post bye, in a super scrappy match, we led the cats by 7 points at 3 quarter time (6.11 to 5.10), but stopped to a walk in the last quarter and gave up 6 goals to go down by 11 points.
In the four pre bye games we lost to Port at AO (but played well), lost, again, to freo at the g, had a scrappy win over the blues (who were 15th at that point) and a good win over the pies.
2024: after our first bye we we were woeful in the first half, and not much better in the second, in a scrappy win over the tigers.
After our second bye, we again stopped to a walk in the last quarter and were lucky to hold off the lowly roos.
In the 3 pre bye games, we played pretty well in our win over the saints, we were woeful against freo and better than the scoreline suggests against the pies, but still very scrappy.
For context, it's important to note that in spite of (arguably BECAUSE of ) of those performances we finished top 4 in 2021, 22 and 23.
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2 hours ago, roy11 said:
I know Oliver didn't have a pre-season, we've now played 14 games, will he always be behind he 8ball this season or is there a point where he should reach parity - or even be fresher than the others?
They clearly hope so. Same goes for petty.
That's to say both players had severely interrupted preseasons.
And they have made the decision to try and get them somewhere near optimal fitness come finals by playing them in the ones.
Risky move, in so far as we have two underdone players in the 22.
But they obviously think this approach is better than playing them at Casey.
Petty was moving the best he has foe ages, so hopefully we're starting to see the results.
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3 minutes ago, dees189227 said:
What did he have to say?
Many Demonland posters are too negative and should drink some concrete and harden up.
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8 minutes ago, Monbon said:
Did anyone else note the big smile on Adem Yze's face when his mate Brownie's son laid that tackle? I've never seen that before, an opposition coach barracking for a team at another game. Then again, he was one of our great players...
Awesome vision.
Yze seems a genuinely good bloke.
I loved Brown dog's expression too. Sick with nerves. I could relate.
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Max gawn about to be interviewed on abc radio.
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Just now, Demonised said:
Good goal kicking accuracy.
Thank God.
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1 hour ago, Ethan Tremblay said:
You’re having a crack at a poster for not “pouring scorn” on other posters?
Huh?
No, I'm asking where is the advice, that I received, for the posters pouring scorn on the club to just 'enjoy the win' and not create bad vibes in a post match thread. Of a game we won.
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27 minutes ago, the pearl said:
Ah. Now you are playing the man, not the ball. This could be seen as a meaningless pressure act.
Are you being serious?
Playing the man?
You just accused me of relying on stats and not watching the game.
That's not playing the man?
Give me a spell
It's been a very long time since stats were not used by coaches to help understand the game.
Hell, AFL clubs employees full time stats analysts.
Ours, like at other clubs, sits on the interchange bench and feeds info direct to the coach the whole game.
The players have a screen in front of them with key data, eg pressure rating.
The players are advised at the breaks of key data, eg time in forward half, contested possessions etc
I watch the game pearl. Live at the ground when we play in Melbourne, then on replay.
I also analyse stats post game. Helps me understand and contextualise what I've watched.
Others may not. And just 'trust' their eyes.
Each to their own.
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9 minutes ago, the pearl said:
@binmanAs an old coach once said to me: If you have to rely on stats, then you are not watching the game.
How old is your coach?
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45 minutes ago, Fork 'em said:
He was just happy he'd be able to show his face in the classroom this week without the "What happened to Melbourne." chant.
Unless his classmates are Demonland posters for whom a win is still a loss.
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43 minutes ago, Nicko said:
Is this normal?
Viney - 38mins on the bench
Sparrow - 34mins
Tholstrup - 35mins
Chandler - 32mins
Van Rooyen - 40mins
McVee - 31mins
Howes - 40mins
Turner - 32mins
Bowey - 35mins
It probably is but it surprised me - I know when you break it down it’s ~8-10mins per quarter for each of them but still seems a lot especially coming off a bye.
Apply Occam's razor.
Why would so many players have such low TOG post bye?
Why would we stop to a walk in the last quarter (and struggle in the 2nd quarter) after a bye?
Why have we generally struggled around the bye period and post bye since burgess became high performance manager (with Selwyn following a similar model)?
Why are there so many strange results around this period every year?
(eg lions flogging port by 80 points at AO, dogs flogging freo by 70 points - after having beem flogged by the lions the previous week - roos going down to the pies by a point, the suns only managing 48 points against the saints under the docklands roof, the blues flogging the cats etc etc)
Why did we look so flat and have such poor skills in our win over the tigers after our first bye this season?
Now, there is likely to be multiple factors.
But a key one is almost certainly that clubs, and in particular rhe dees, use byes to increase the intensity of their anaerobic and aerobic training.
Which impacts their post bye performance because they are fatigued.
It is worth noting that after the pies game the players got their break straight after the game and then came back and trained for the roos game.
If they wanted to maximise freshness for this game they would have trained and then rested.
They took the same approach in our first bye period. And came out flat against the tigers.
It's also worth noting that arguably our best performance of the year came in the second game after a bye - our win over the cats.
A six day break into Friday night's game against the lions means they are likely to have a light week on the track. And so will be fresh and ready to roll.
Winning will be a tall order (when was the last time we were $4.55 to win a game?) but I suspect the dees will surprise a few people next Friday night.
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2 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:
Those who are deriding posters for being overly negative, I get it. We won, and winning is always better than losing.
Personally, I find it ironic.
I think it was after the hawks win, my first post game post praised the team, but also referenced the haters on this site.
@Moonshadow was quick to call me out and give me some advice to just enjoy the win, allow others to do so too and not create bad vibes.
Plenty liked the advice.
Well, we won last night.
I might have missed it, but I don't recall reading a post from @Moonshadow imploring the many haters pouring scorn on us post game to enjoy this win and not create bad vibes.
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10 hours ago, Dee Zephyr said:
Me too, then I remembered I left a 10yr old in the front row.
And I realised why it’s good to win, he couldn’t stop smiling after the game.
I met a mate and his young son after the game and walked into town with them.
The young fella, decked out in his signed Steve May jumper, was [censored] a hoop.
Loving life, kicking his footy, talking about the game and loving his team.
Wise beyond his years, he knows you celebrate and enjoy the wins when they come.
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2 minutes ago, Flowergirl said:
I used to really enjoy lurking on these pages but the negativity is a real drag. I know that it's frustrating watching your team lose or not play their best, but being a supporter is also about celebrating wins.
There were so many positives to take out of tonight. Yeah, we may not be playing our best footy, but we were so much better than previous week's. We led for the entire game for a start and barely kicked any behinds.
The youth at our club stood up tonight. Kolt was amazing. That Kynan Brown tackle 🔥. Trent Rivers. Judd McVee.
Jack Viney, Max Gawn and Steven May played really well. Petty had some impact!
Our first and third quarters were really good. North Melbourne are not playing like a bottom side - they were really lifted in the last quarter and were hard to stop.
We may not win the premiership this year, but there is a lot to hope for in the future. Every top 8 side has had a [censored] time recently - Sydney nearly didn't make the finals last year, Geelong missed them entirely. Collingwood were woeful in 2021.
A win is a win, is a win, is a win.
This x 1000.
Bank the four points and get set for the lions.
Go redlegs.
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3 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:
How the hell can we look so spent and unable to run in the last quarter when we've just come off the bye?
Gee, I wonder.
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1 minute ago, Little Goffy said:
Just for a laugh after the results so far this round it is possible that a reasonable win tonight could be worth as much as six spots on the ladder and likely five. Going ahead of Geelong, Port, Footscray, Brisbane, one of the Dockers or Suns, and if things get really bloody, Western Sydney.
Wild times.
A good reminder of one thing we call agree on - the ladder doesn't lie.
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21 minutes ago, old55 said:
I thought you said North at the line looked good?
Which is why I don't bet on dees games.
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'Tis the season for funky results.
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The roos' pressure and contest has been good, but they lack the fitness to maintain it for four quarters.
I doubt we'll be fully wound up, but the roos are coming of a six day break and we're coming off a bye.
I think the roos will either come out flat, or come up out with good intensity but fade.
Dees by 43 points.
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Roll up, Roll up to the Can't Win Demonland Cup.
Lose and all the doom spiral predictions are proven correct.
Win by anything less than 124 points and all the doom spiral predictions are proven correct.
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2 minutes ago, Clayton spirit said:
Currently doing a match simulation drill with the coaches involved as players. Seems a bit more work than a usual captain's run
Loading?
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3 hours ago, Superunknown said:
Wouldn’t it be sensible to play him back into form right back where he belongs, where the Lever flies, over mountains high.
Or VFL and then back to seniors.
With his selection decisions, Goody's a maverick.
PREGAME: Rd 16 vs Brisbane
in Melbourne Demons
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Our top 10 pressure players against the roos (which was a very high pressure game - the roos' contest and pressure was terrific).
By the by, of all the stats I am 99% sure the correlation between winning the team pressure rating and winning is the highest - by some margin.
A curious thing about the pies last year was that for much of the season they were able to win games when they lost the team pressure rating. They were a complete outlier.
That changed come the end of year and finals when the game becomes all about the contest.
Most Pressure Points
Note: pressure points are the weighed sum of pressure acts. Physical pressure acts are worth 3.75 points, closing acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing acts are 1.5 points and corralling are 1.2. ( https://www.championdata.com/glossary/afl/ )
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