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    2 hours ago, rjay said:

    When I saw the thread title I thought we were going to be discussing the idea of getting rid of betting in the AFL.

    The sooner it happens the better.

    No way of getting rid of betting on AFL - unless all sports betting is banned, which ain't gonna happen.

    And even if it did a million illegal off shore betting sites would fill the void (you can bet on Victoria Soccer League games on such sites such is their ubiquity).

    But i 1000% agree the promotion and advertising of betting should have severe limits placed on it - eg never during games, never embedded in footy shows, only after 9pm etc etc.

    And the AFL, clubs and all sporting clubs should be forced to stop taking any gambling related advertising revenue and/or sponsorships.

    All that said, whilst i fully acknowledge the deleterious impactbof sports betting I really enjoy punting on the footy. And a thread on demonland for like minded people is not a bad idea, particularly if people such as myself don't put punting related posts in other threads.

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    1 hour ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

    Why is T-Mac considered to be the "4th tall" rather than Petty? Based on a combination of training reports and last year's form of both players, I can't see how McDonald is behind Petty. It seems to me that it might be Petty that misses out. Doesn't mean he can't be picked as a forward, of course, although he would also appear to be behind Turner, van Rooyen and possibly even Johnson, given that Johnson might be picked to help Gawn.

    The way I see it, we only use on or two key tall defender in the old school sense of a key tall who locks down an oppo tall forward.

    May is the number one such player.

    Lever plays an intercepting role and tmac was more a tall roamimg flanker than a traditional tall defender.

    When we needed a second lock down defender last year we had to rely on Lever and/or Tmac, or sometimes Tomlinson.

    The problem with using Lever or Tmac in that role is both are very average one on one.

    Petty is a much better option as he is great one on one  but can also zone off and intercept.

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    26 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

    TMac's form must beg the question. Does the team persist with Petty forward and allow TMac to play as the third tall in defence? I realise Petty's form last season wasn't great but he was coming off no preseason and a nasty injury. I guess if TMac is able which he certainly appears to be then who becomes the best forward option out of Petty, Johnson and Jefferson? Personally I like Petty in defence and feel he's the obvious May replacement next year but TMac's inability to age keeps the question open I think.

    It's fascinating isn't it.

    Petty has been training with the backs all preseason, but has been talked about as a swing man.

    I reckon Jefferson is the wild card in terms of where Petty plays. If Jefferson becomes a best 23 lock that would mean three key talls - jeffo, jvr and Turner.

    And possibly 4 if AJ plays as a forward ruck.

    AJ is another fascinating piece of the puzzle. I don't have a strong sense of whether he is AFL ready, but I really hope he is because I'd love jvr to be able to just focus on marauding inside 50 for at least the first half off the season rather than having to run himself into the grounf giving maxy a chop out (though long term I see him playing that role - I really rate his ruck ability).

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    15 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

    Personally I think if we're adapting our gameplan to me more attacking that has to start in defence. Windsor, McVee and Salem with Bowey as the seventh are my first picks alongside May, Lever, Petty/TMac. As for Howes, I think he's backup only still. I think he can develop into a best 22 but thats partly just hope. I'd love Adams to make it but from the gist of reports he's in the Jefferson camp of not quite ready/perhaps never ready. I think with the recruitment of Lindsay and if Petty stays our back 6/7 looks to have a reasonable future beyond Lever/May/Salem which shows the quality of recruiting over the last 5 years.

    We're not adapting our game plan. As goody noted we were trying to implement a fast transition game for much of last year.

    And yet, despite that we went tall down back in the first third of last season.

    But you make a good point about Windsor going back changing the mix, though you could argue he is replacing Rivers, who didn't start playing midfield 'till the last third of the season.

    Leaving the mix of talls and mediums aside, I just can't see tmac not playing down back round one.

    One of best defenders last year, is having one of his best preseasons ever - and the first in years where he has no foot issues.

    Can run all day, and whilst I agree with DS that he has turning circle of a boat, he looks in ripping nick and is as thin and athletic as ive ever seen him.

    I'd add that he is one of our most reliable field kicks, which is absolutely critical to being able to implement a transition method.

    Turnovers from defence kill teams these days. May and Lever ate both very hit and miss with those short 20 to 30 kicks out of defence that are so important. Tmac on the other hand is rock solid.

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    4 hours ago, Roost it far said:

    Would you pick those 4 in the back half together?

    Yes. 

    Gator makes a good point about GWS' forward line having small pressure forwards, so perhaps not round one.

    But it's best to think of the defence as a back seven, not six.

    And it's worth noting that in OR last season we ran with Tomlinson, Howes, Lever and May.

    And round one, albeit against a tall dogs forward line, we ran with Hore, Lever, May, Howes and Tmac.

    46 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

    How do you have a defence with May, Lever, Petty and TMac? 

    Because whilst yes, tmac is tall he doesn't play as a KPD - he plays as a tall half back flanker

    Howes and tmac are playing for much the same position I reckon.

    And tmac has first dibs - he's had a great preseason and he was arguably our best defender last year.

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    3 minutes ago, Cranky Franky said:

    Around 80% of Demonlanders typically love every commentator who is positive towards the team & want to lynch anyone critical of the team.

    That's better cranky.

    Good to have you back.

    I've always rated your posts.

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    43 minutes ago, ManDee said:

    Hey Binnie, do you think Arden Street Oval could provide a hint as to the address?

    If you type in into Google Maps guess what! 😀

    Yep, of course.

    But in 2025 99% of organizations that want you to know where they are, or want to promote an event, embed the address and google maps INTO the relevant page on their website.

    Why do they do that?

    So the customer doesn't have to navigate to another web page or site. If the customer does have to do so there is a risk they won't bother - not to mention making the org look like total amateurs. 

    By the by, the Arden Street ground is ALSO on McCauley Road.

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    2 hours ago, jnrmac said:

    The front page of the Melbourne website has all of the details . There's a story in the News section

    Its been up there since Feb 7 2025

    Yes, as i noted, i found it and posted a screenshot.

    But 'all the details' is a bit of a stretch jnr. This is the entirety of what 'Melbourne media' wrote on 7 Feb:
     

    MELBOURNE's first cross-club encounter of the season has been locked in at Arden St on Saturday, February 22. 

    The Demons will take on the Kangaroos in match simulation play, starting from 11am AEDT and broadcast live on Foxtel and Kayo.

    The match sim will consist of four 25-minute quarters, plus game-specific simulations at the end of the second and fourth quarters.

    A final pre-season encounter with Fremantle in the club's official pre-season match is slated for Sunday, March 2 at Rushton Park in Mandurah. 

    Match simulation
    Sat, Feb 22
    North Melbourne v Melbourne at Arden Street Oval, 11am AEDT

    Too bad if you want to get there by public transport and would like some useful info on how to best do so

    Too bad if you want to drive and would like some useful info on parking options. 

    Hell, they don't even provide the address!

     

     

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    19 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

    I get the impression both clubs are not fussed about fans turning up for this one.

    Even over at the North website there's no information or details about this weekend's game on its home page. Where as in the lead up to last weekend the club was making a massive song and dance about their intra club game last Saturday (which MFC if you're listening, is an appropriate time to have an intra club game/family day).

    I saw that info about the intra club match on the roos website - it helpfully included who was playing on each team (white and blue teams) and their numbers.

    Plus a bunch of other useful info.

    By the by, it really highlighted how helpful a proper home training base is.

    They had a practice match followed by the family day at Arden Street, which unlike us means all the infrastructure is there (eg kitchen, fridges to store bbq stuff etc etc) and things can be stored and accessed properly (eg merch, equipment, give away etc).

    Plus fans get to feel the club vibe - the roos admin is all there and when you walk in their pteniershop cups are in the public entry area. 

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    11 minutes ago, Ghostwriter said:

    Yes. A player’s mum told me about the new start time so I rang a buddy in admin and he confirmed it. 

    Well, I hope that's right GW or else I'll well and truly have egg on my face and 58er will have justified cause to lampoon me!

    Note: I just checked the AFL site and it's still listed as an 11am start.

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    19 minutes ago, binman said:

    Indeed.

    Particularly because the mfc website is useless as an information source.

    I just went to the MFC website app looking for info on the practice match, thinking the info would likely not include publuc transport info.

    Well, after looking for 5 minutes for info about the game I couldn't find ANYTHING. Nada, bubkis, nill.

    No doubt it's there somewhere, but I couldn't see it. And wasn't going to waste any more time looking. 

    I wonder how many fans will miss the first half of the game given its startimg earlier.

    @58er given you're so hot on only using the MFC website as the source of information how about you find the info on the app, post screen shot of it - and let us know how long it took to find it

    Update - I found it (note to dees fans - the starting time is wrong. Because of the predicted heat the game is starting at 10am. I know that because i read Demonland. Also note, there is nothing about the Casey practice match):

    Screenshot_20250219_091403_Melbourne.jpg

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    1 hour ago, Ghostwriter said:

    Or you’ve been talking about Demonland not being the place to go to for things like the best way to get to Arden St? If the latter, there’s no harm in posting tips from people who may know the area well for folks who don’t know the area well. 

    Indeed.

    Particularly because the MFC website is useless as an information source.

    I just went to the MFC website app looking for info on the practice match, thinking the info would likely not include public transport info.

    Well, after looking for 5 minutes for info about the game I couldn't find ANYTHING. Nada, bubkis, nil.

    No doubt it's there somewhere, but I couldn't see it. And wasn't going to waste any more time looking. 

    I wonder how many fans will miss the first half of the game given it's starting at 10am to 11am. 

    @58er given you're so hot on only using the MFC website as the source of information about all thing MFC how about you find the info on the app, post a screen shot of it - and let us know how long it took you to find it.

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    6 hours ago, Roost it far said:

    Thats 5 examples in 5 years, so we’re averaging one mistake with an injured player per year. Now let’s look at each case. Spargo was determined not to have surgery on his Achilles and play the season. In mine and the clubs eyes he’s best 22 so he played. It did absolutely no further damage to his existing injury, none . So now we’re down to 4 in 5 years. 
    To claim Oliver was mishandled without knowing what the club did with regard to his injury and state of mind is erroneous. Not to mention he was basically best on ground in round 1 so that kinda puts a hole in your theory. So we’re down to 3 in 5. That’s so low that I can’t even be bothered explaining the rest.

    One mistake a year - assuming you count the examples given as 'mistakes'.

    But as you suggest, the implication was the examples given were indisputably mistakes, which is just complete nonsense. 

    It never ceases to amaze me how people make definitive statements about medical stuff when, one they almost never have any relevant qualifications and two, don't have access to the players medical history, rehabilitation plans or any of the relevant data.   

    I mean, it's not unreasonable to have as a starting point that highly paid professional medical and high-performance teams with access to all the relevant info and data are likely to be making informed decisions about the management of players with injuries. 

    Take Spargo - it seems to be accepted as fact that playing him in round one did more damage and was a factor in him being out for the season. Perhaps it was, perhaps it wasn't. The point is we are making guesses either way. Correlation doesn’t imply causation and all that. 

    What we can say with certainty is the medical and high-performance team, based on the information and data available to them at the time (info not available to us) made what they thought was the right decision for Spargs at the time. 

    An interesting parallel to the decision to play Spargs was the almost identical decision to play Tmac in round one just two weeks after ankle surgery. Played, and i don't think missed a game for the whole season?    

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    18 hours ago, waynewussell said:

    Daniel Turner 2024

    Round 8, 13 disposals, 3 goals

    Round 16, 6 disp, 2 goals

    R19, 8 disp, 3 goals

    R 24, 11 disp, 4 goals

    Sure.

    I'll give you some terrific games where he has kicked mutiple goals with few possessions.

    And, sure I'll give you that remarkable thing about his work as a forward is this preseason is only third AFL preseason (by way of contrast jvr has 4 under his belt) - and nly his FIRST where he has trained as a forward all preseason.

    But Wayne, what did Turner ever do for us?

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