binman

14 minutes ago, KozzyCan said:

Believe what you want, I'm not entirely sure what part you find so hard to believe though. There's plenty of evidence to suggest Goodwin presented to the board that night.

Since Goodwin doesn't elaborate on what he means by a 'standard board meeting' we can only go by what has been reported elsewhere.

Another article from before he was sacked. Michael Gleeson and Jon Pierik put their names to this:

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/all-our-talk-is-there-and-then-we-don-t-do-it-gawn-delivers-damning-assessment-of-demons-20250728-p5mibh.html

Doesn't go into quite so much detail but there's a fair suggestion that Goodwin was giving his thoughts on where he thought the team was at. You can make up your own mind on what motivated the club to sack him a week later but I'm not sure I'd completely dismiss these events.

Of course he presented to the Board, I'm not disputing that.

It was a scheduled presentation and just like any such presentation by a coach to a board, particularly one 3 games pur from the end of our season, he of course gave his view as to where we are at and where we are heading.

I mean what is else is a coach going to talk to a board about?

The point us he wasn't pitching anything.

As goody said on 360:

'I had a standard board meeting the week before, and didn’t have an inkling at that point' about being sacked.'

If tha board had a different view about the purpose of that presentation, ie he had to 'pitch' for his job thenobviously didn't tell goody and they they are even more hopeless than I thought.

And if the board genuinely think we need 'some kind of step or two backwards before it pushed forward' then they have zero chance of landing Buckley, or any other experiencedcoach fir tbat matter, as there'sno chance he's interested in a rebuild.

And if that was the case, and as I said I call [censored] on it, then they have wasted everyone's time if they have, as has been suggested, had conversations with Buckley.

30 minutes ago, KozzyCan said:

No worries:

Fox Sports

Thanks.

I call [censored] on that.

For one thing it is John Ralph.

For another its a combination of supposition and if he hasn't completely made it up he is parroting what he us being leaked by a board member who has an obvious agenda to justify their decision.

Yet another - if the club needs ,'some kind of step or two backwards before it pushed forward' tosh is coming from the board then it makes them.look like [censored] because it contradicts the general consensus that finals is a real possibility

For example premiership coach Paul roos has gone on record to say we can win a flag next year. Buckley has said we can be competitive next and the consensus view seems to be he would not be interested in the gig if it involved regression and a rebuild.

This is what Goody said about that board meeting, so not heresay or Ralph's game if thrones click bait musings:

'I had a standard board meeting the week before, and didn’t have an inkling at that point' about being sacked.

7 minutes ago, KozzyCan said:

Wasn't it reported that he basically pitched his vision for the team to the board after the Saints game and it completely tanked? If so in that moment it was probably the point where the board realised his position wasn't tenable.

No it wasn't. I've heard nothing even remotely like that.

Can you link to something, anything that goody pitched his vision for the team to the board after the Saints and that it completely tanked?

55 minutes ago, Dees_In_October said:

From @binman's post, it's clear what most people will choose - as the people who are mainly men's fans wouldn't forgo the men's to support the women, even in the situation where the women's is much more convenient to home, and even in a situation where the men aren't in finals contention. That isn't a dig at you, binman, it's just illustrative of something the AFL STILL somehow fails to understand when scheduling the W Demons - that many won't go to Casey, so Away fixtures at other Melbourne venues should be scheduled with an eye to picking up that audience. Rather than the approach taken in this case, which I think is, "It's a Bulldogs home game, so the timing with the Dees men's game doesn't matter" as long as it doesn't overlap for TV. It just boils to the same old lack of foresight that has been consistent for 10 seasons now.

Hopefully when the men's is over, aside from Casey games, people will look to these more conveniently located matches:

Round 3 v Collingwood at Vic Park

Round 8 v Essendon at Ikon Park

Back to the positives:

I'll def go to both of those games.

And hopefully finals will be played at Ikon.

And I might get to at least one Casey game (it's a three hour round trip by car so I'll probably combine with visiting friends on the 'ninch).

But they have to get out of Casey - it's just too far away for most fans, not to mention the wind makes games so scrappy

I haven't fully ruled out going on Sat night, but given I can get home and watch on the box on kayo and not miss any of the game it's unlikely.

So stupid. If for example they played the men's game at 1:15 they would get a much bigger crowd, which makes for better TV and helps counteract the frustrating criticisms of AFLW that surface every season, one being that it's not as popular as it was.

15 minutes ago, D Rev said:

Sorry for being late to this - where is George?

George will be back. He is just taking a break for personal reasons.

9 hours ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

Can anyone, absolutely anyone, please provide evidence that "we are a mess off the field" as often claimed on Land? Since Green took over, all I've noted is that the Club has resolved one issue after another that had been stinking up the place for years. We are in a substantially better place now than at any time in our recent past. Well done Greeny.

I see your point - perhaps mess is too loaded and over the top.

But I would argue there's plenty of evidence there are many examples of poor governance.

The most important evidence is peformance.

The executive (board and CEO) is responsible for setting the strategic direction of the club, it's goals and the actions to achieve those goals.

All if that is articulated in the Strategic Plan.

I came recall all the goals but i5 included on field success, increased membership, stability and a home training ground.

Of those goals the could perhaps only claim stability as a success, and even then that clutching at straws given:

• We have an interim president who says he is not an interrom president,

• We have an acting CEO (who went for the job and didn't get it)

• The previous given a project management role to land the home base who has apparently departed the club (which i only learnt thru the press ladt week)

• Our CEO was appointed in April but doesn't start until after the season ends and

• Our President in waiting also doesn't start 'till seasons end

It was telling that in goody's presser he emphasised how his early success was function of the stability he enjoyed, the inference clearly being he hasn't enjoyed in recent times

There's last years review. How have we gone in terms of implementing its findings, whatever they were.

One outcome of that review was we brought in Darren Shand to improve our on field leadership. That would have cost a pretty penny. How's that working out.

They brought in Jones as a stoppages coach and paired him with another completey inexperienced assistant midfield coach. How's that working out

And on top of all that the board should be judged by its decisions.

One sych decision was in their wisdom they extended Goody's contact and subsequently decided to sack him with a year left on his contract.

We are cash strapped and we are paying Goody a million dollars to sink schooners out at tge Sorrento hotel and get a cushy gig on Fox.

Meanwhile that million comes from our soft cap severely hampering any efforts to surround a new coach with the best possible assistants or address any issues in the FD.

And don't get me started on our comms!

I have been trying to work out for days if Saturdays game is a member replacement game.

Nothing from the club anywhere, no email and nothing on the website. So I assumed it wasn't. Until I got a text at 1pm today. Amateur hour. I mean do they want dees fans to go or not. And how about the value proposition for members?

Thats all on the executive because at the end if the day the bucks stops with them.

So whilst beinf a mess of field might be a litte unfair, our governance is well and truly in the same suburb.

8 hours ago, Ted Lasso said:

Simon Goodwins sacking was leaked to the media half way through a zoom meeting letting our senior players know their coach has been sacked.

That’s a monumental governance failing that something like they leaked out.

I can't stand daisy Thomas, but he's right good clubs don't leak - unless they do so strategically.

And by that I mean the executive doesn't leak (hard to stop plsyers leaking but if they are that's a symptom of a problem.

People complain about how we get covered in the media and point out how the cats so often get a pass.

But the reality is the Cats are as tight as a drum and either give the media nothing or give information strategically.

The Cats control the narrative. The evidence is crystal clear we don't.

On 11/08/2025 at 16:27, Demonland said:

The 2025 season might well be petering out for our AFL Men but it all starts again for the AFLW competition.

We are enthusiastic about the forthcoming season for Mick Stinear's Demons, who are among the highly favoured contenders for this year's accolades, following a challenging fixture last year and a notable incidence of injuries.

Demonland is again fortunate to have Meggs writing for us on all things MFC AFLW. Meggs’ season preview will appear shortly on this thread to give exposure to the team on our home page and then will be moved to the AFLW Melbourne Demons Board.

We also hope to get enough support from Demonlanders to have a Player of the Year Award for our AFLW team.

Melbourne’s first game for 2025 is against the Western Bulldogs at Mission Whitten Oval Footscray on Saturday 16 August 2025 at 7.30.

Fair dinkum, for all manner of reasons I'm so over the AFL.

They are supposed to be the stewards of the game.

They are ruining the men's game, for example refusing to address the appalling standard od umpiring and the joke they call the fix ture.

And their management of the AFLW is even worse. It's a bloody joke.

I live in the West and was super keen to go to this game, one of the few ill be able to make, because it's at Whitten Oval. Twenty minute drive from my place, watch a great game of footy then back home in 20 minutes. Perfect.

But I'm not sure if it's feasible given the men start at 4:15 meaning it won't finish until 7pm.

I'll be on PT so no chance of getting to Whitten Oval from the G By 7:30, and even if I could it's a big ask to expect fans to go to both games - for me it would mean leaving home at 3pm and nor getting home till near midnight (Whitten Oval is in a tricky spot for me PR wise and buses are replacing trains on my line after dark).

It's just flat out pathetic. Do they wNtbthe AFLW to succeed or not?

On 11/08/2025 at 10:20, adonski said:

Lindsay in the guts instead of Windsor?

That's what I would like to see.

Just now, binman said:

Loafers, chinos, open neck crisp pale pink shirt (new), suit jacket (expensive but looks gritty), no tie and MFC pin.

23 hours ago, The Jackson FIX said:

Bugger. I was desperate to hear what Binman is going to wear to his first board meeting

Loafers, chinos, open neck crisp pale pink shirt (new), suit jacket (expensive but looks gritty), no tie and MFC pin.

40 minutes ago, WheeloRatings said:

It's our equal highest points from defensive half after we also had 51 points against West Coast last week. It's our fifth highest points from turnover:

• 12.10.82 v Syd, R11

• 11.5.71 v WC, R21

• 10.4.64 v NM, R18

• 9.8.62 v Bris, R10

• 9.5.59 v WB, R22

The problem for us, as always is we gave up 67 points on turnover.

That's the game right there

(Funnily enough they scored 49 point from their defensive half, 2 points less than us. Taken together- ie scores from turnover and scores from defensive half - you get 6 points, which was the margin).

5 minutes ago, Ghostwriter said:

My boy Luker won’t be debuting this season. He’s not as disappointed as I thought he’d be. He said they don’t want him in his debut going up against Barrass and Battle, or Collingwood. LOL… they didn’t specify filth players, they must mean the whole side.

I was keen to see him in the ones to get a look at him. But on reflection i'd much prefer he play out the season at Casy and continue his development.

Doing so also supports Casey finishing off the season strongly which i think has an outsize importance with all that has gone on. A strong finish by Casey puts a pep in everyone's step, partic if we also have a strong start to our AFLW season.

And it creates an opportunity for our young players to gel, develop their own game and have a shared experience they can carry forward in their time at the dees. Plus it creates an opportunity for Fullerton to continue to thrive down back which could be a lifeline for his AFL career.

@Ghostwriter do you know if Kolt, Sharp and Howes are eligible to play VFL finals (i'm assuming Cullley is)?

4 minutes ago, Sideshow Bob said:

Too early to start the "Is Nathan Buckley the right guy" thread??

No.

But can we modernise and call the thread "Is Nathan Buckley the right person?"

1 hour ago, Ghostwriter said:

Fitting typo 😂

I wish i could say it was deliberate,

Actually stuff it - it was deliberate!

12 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

If this is referring to me, you’re helping me out. We’ve quietly enough put 85 on GC, 90 on St Kilda (who love to stifle their opponent) and 99 on the Dogs (bad defence but a much better side than us overall). Plus everyone gets to play the bad sides (and whilst we got North twice, we got smacked by them the first time).

My point really is that I doubt many on here would think of our 2025 as being high scoring to the point of being 10th overall.

I think jnr was responding to my post that we have averaged 92 points in our 7 games since the bye

But your point remains valid, everyone gets to play the bottom sides. And besides our high scores in the game against the roos and Eagles was a function of our method and being attacking.

Is also note that that strech of games included our game against the blues which was played in wet and windy conditions.

I5s interesting that we are 10th for total scores but are also 18th for accuracy.

That inaccuracy could well have been the final nail in Goody's coffin.

7 hours ago, DeeGee said:

I don’t get why many on here pot Viney as much as they do. Sure - his season this year hasn’t been his best but he is our reigning B&F so he’s not totally useless.

Good reminder about Jack being rhe reigning beast and fairest.

He's a terrific player, a warrior, not to mention a heart and soul player who bleeds red and blue.

For me the issue is as a mid he is a first class butcher, which is compunded by the fact he cant get deprh on his kicks.

That wouldn't actually matter much if the other key mids were all elite ball users, leaving Jack to be the in an under grunt player all midfield need (eg libba).

The problem is of the regular mids only koz is an above average kick, and as we saw on Sunday even he turns the ball over too often.

Tracc and Clarry are both horrible kicks overy any distance unless less than 50 metres. Windsor is playing mid but his kicking us also hit and miss.

Rivers last year, but is also a butcher (tgough does get depth woth his kicks) and realistically can't go into a midfield that has viney, tracc and claz in it.

For me the logical role for Viney is a high pressure small forward who occasionally tags an oppo gun mid.

We need such a player, particularly if koz is going to be a full time mid. He has the discipline fir the role, would be frightening for oppo defenders and actually has pretty good hoal sense.

He is also a much better set shot than field kick and I'd he does turn it over at least it's deep on our forward line not thru the centre.

And if Jack goes forward it frees up a midfield spot, which I reckon should be filled by Lindsay who is a beautiful kick, had the ability to weight passes, is tough and has played as a mid at junior level.

2 hours ago, nextskipclaz said:

I come from the point of view of

1: behavioural science ala Chase Hughes 'The Behaviour Ops' and

2: ancient chinese philosophy of Taoism - which describes such events as even 1 or 2 pieces of a whole destabilising the potential of the whole, and USUALLY these 1 or 2 pieces are only subtly perceptible.

and what I think Chandler has brought into our team is subtle but widely detrimental. His raison d'etre on the field (unlike a Mcvee, Windsor, Langford even Rivers) is unstable, uncertain, and pretend (always 'trying' to show' his made of the right stuff, without actually just BEING the right stuff.

And because he has such an enthusiastic energy, his hesitant and insecure playing style (both with ball in hand and when running around 'defending' is MUCH harder to read for the average supporter.

He is not providing the Alex Neal Bullen type honesty and APPROPRIATE enthusiasm. It is all INAPPROPRTIATE enthusiasm and while it looks good while we're up, it only breeds an AVERAGE in-game responses when the heat is on, when we are under true adversity, and when the game is there to be won.

Many will say: Kade Chandler is the least of our problems.

My philosophy of subtle energetics and behavioural imitation in groups (mimetics) makes Kade Chandler A BIG MOLE and a dsignificant problem for our culture that should be head down bum up and less flighty [censored] gesticulating , random celebrating, and then just NOT IMPACTING the [censored] game bar a 'cheeky goal' (which UNFORTUNATELY is the only thing most clueless fans care about)

Are you Dermott Brereton?

Roos:

"I think Melbourne is a different kettle of fish," he told the ABC AFL Daily podcast.

"I think they're way better than people are giving them credit for. If you get the right off-season moves, I'll go on the record, they could win a flag next year. Not the year after, they could win a flag next year. 

"They've got 14-16 premiership players on their list right now. They won a premiership in 2021, they're not super old, so I think this is a different one."

"If I'm someone like a Nathan Buckley, I'm not taking this job to resurrect this team. I'm taking this job to win a premiership in the next two to three years," Roos said.

"That's the mandate, for me."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-08-11/afl-paul-roos-melbourne-premiership-coach-hunt-buckley/105639016

21 minutes ago, sue said:

Surely that was a one-off set play which would be dangerous to repeat and a surprise to the oppos. If they saw Gawn heading to the centre again...... Probably also done to give Jed some fun in his first game. After that a return to kick-ins as usual is not surprising. But it would be worth doing more than once a game if it was planned carefully to ensure we controlled the middle and all players including backs were on board.

They did the exact same play last week with Bowey kicking it to Maxy from a kick out, maxy marks (curiously on his chestvlike yesterday) handball to a receiver who kicked it to Melk who went back and kicked the set shot.

7 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Maybe the mind set etc..

You're not stupid... don't act it

Really?

Oh yeah, different directive - the mindset.

Boys play better footy today. Play with a different mindset. Be different to last week. And the week before that. And the week before that. Hell, play different to how we have since the bye!

What's that Max? Ok sure, you've averaged 97 points since the bye, coming off the highest score of the season, including a 10 goal quarter. Sure, it snowed in Haddes the last time we scored 10 goals in a quarter. But i want a different mindset - be even MORE attacking.

5 hours ago, Fork 'em said:

Pre-game on MMM Chaplin declared they planned to be more attacking.
And I thought .... Good.

More attacking than the previous week where we kicked 10 goals in a quarter, had our highest score for the season, scored 3 goals from a kick out and repeatedly went thru the corridor - including a carbon copy of the play down the middle yesterday (ie kick out to Max in the centre square, who gives off to a running player and kicks inside 50)

And two weeks after going all out attack against the Saints for three quarter, kicking 13.8 by 3 quarter time?

23 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Here's one.

We know there's a top 9 and a bottom 9 this year.

The top 9 scoring sides this year are, funnily enough, the top 9 on the ladder.

Guess who's 10th?

You guessed it - us.

Would you instinctively believe we're the 10th highest scoring side in 2025?

To be perfectly honest, 100% yes.

Completely aligns with the fact that, as i have been at pains to point out, we have really improved our transition and ball movement this season, particularly post bye - our average score in the 7 games post bye is 92 points.

Our increased scoring is function of that improved ball movement and Goody deserves credit for his work implementing a different method, one that is really different to a method that brought senior players a flag.

24 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Game plan ? Well you were never going to get an overly different game plan. Funny you say that as I DIDN'T.

What i referred to were the nuances .

There was , imo, certainly a different directive out of the coaches box.

If you feel compelled to hang onto Goodwin that's your call.

Different directive from the coaches box?

Do prey tell, what was that?

11 hours ago, Hopeful Demon said:

It was a shame about the final outcome and I really wish we would sort out our inability to win close games but I actually really enjoyed today. We played fast, free flowing and daring football. I haven't seen us play with such an attacking mindset all year.

I'd much rather lose a game trying something new than repeatedly losing games playing the exact same style.

Whatever people think about Goody's sacking I really hope that false narratives and myths don't take hold on Demonland.

The post above is an example of such false narratives.

We have been playing fast, transition footy all season and playing with an attacking mindset all season. In fact it's been one of our problems - we don't have the cattle to not cough up huge scores on turnover, as we did again yesterday.

Tactically and method wise, yesterday's game was no different to how we've played all season, particularly since the bye.

In fact, we have been really improving our transition game in the second half of the year, as evidenced by a raft of stats, for example scores from defensive half.

I mean we did some of our best transition and ball movement all season in 7 of our previous 8 quarters before yesterday's game,