binman

2 minutes ago, Kev said:

I think the nature of us as humans, create an anxiety when the stratification is large.

Look what happened to the Tigers when the chance of winning more medals was lost, and the salary was better elsewhere, no loyalty, many jumped.

I would rather be competitive, with a chance of finals, than sitting down the bottom. That requires stability of players. If the players aren't rewarded they move.

Good chance we may lose the middle, if as you say, we don't win. This year is shot, even with our big names. Some clubs will be after our up and coming players. Much will have to change if we are to stay a force. I believe we have missed our windows and large salaries and contracts only impact adversely.

They didn't jump kev. More likely they were pushed.

The tigers knew they had a one in a generation opportunity to go to the draft with an unprecedented number of high end draft picks.

And they took that opportunity.

They won their 3 flags. They weren't going to win another with the list they had.

And in trading our baker, bolton and rioli they made out like bandits and are setting themselves for the next tilt at a flag.

On your point about other clubs comimg after our 'up and coming players', the following such players have all extended their contracts in the last 12 months (meaning the koz contract won't impact our efforts to balance our cap for several years - ie these players are all locked in):

• Turner

• JVR

• Windsor

• Howes

• Kolt

• McVee

• Jefferson

That doesn't leave many up and coming players for other teams to target.

18 hours ago, adonski said:

Bit surprised, thought we might get Lindsay a rest

Agree, he looked cooked.

I reckon it is an indicator how important Lindsay is already for us, particularly in terms of struture - ie his role as a winger, which allows us to use Langdon in other roles (eg high half forward, tagger, mid).

Windsor as sub and swapping out with Langford or Lindsay as needed.

21 minutes ago, Kev said:

Does our society need more Brain Surgeons or GP's?

Does the game flourish when a few take the majority of the pie?

AFL requires a team to win, a happy team, working for each other.

The greater the stratification the more likelihood of unrest, I reckon.

Kev, what causes unrest in football clubs is losing.

And the goal of every single player is to win a flag.

Players will be behind anything that helps a team win more often and increase the chance of winning a flag - including paying one of your top 3 players a salary commensurate to their impact and ability.

Do you really think the tigers players were frustrated they parachuted Lynch in on a massive salary to (I think I'm right in saying he instantly became the highest paid tiger, a team that had just won a flag) in order to increase their chances of winnning another flag

The club has done brilliantly to land this deal. It's huge for the club and our chances of being a force moving forward.

And i would be completely shocked if there was anything but support within the playing group for the terms of koz's contract.

9 minutes ago, junk said:

Most of his team mates would be happy for him , considering that they would NOT be getting a u beaut pay rise in the near distant future.

It does NOT matter if we put all our eggs in the one basket and it does NOT matter if we cannot afford decent key position players.

No wonder we took 57 yrs to win a flag, we will not see another one ever.

What happens if he becomes another Oliver ? Basically he would become un tradable.

Cmon junk, that's just an appalling effort.

I mean i can see that you are just starting out on your troll journey, or at least I hope that's the case for your sake, but this post is amateur hour stuff.

I'd recommend spending some time on Big Footy. Work on your troll craft and get some troll miles under your belt.

And work on a new posting name as to be honest that's where your problems start.

Junk?

Please- what self respecting troll would choose that as a nom de plume for a MFC forum?

What about something like

• Flower Power

• MF Club

• Spud Dullard's smile

2 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Mmm, mini preseason

(Insert homer meme here)

4 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

[censored] mate... ever heard of Google!!! Not hard. Probably even you could manage.

Get off your horse

Why would I bother googling?

I wasn't the one making an argument other clubs call out the AFL or umpires.

If you want to make that case, all power to you, i await your non vibe based recollections of comments from clubs a bit stronger than 'less than cryptic'.

I was arguing the opposite.

So I just googled.

And gee wiz do you know what I found?

Zip, Nada, zero.nothing.

Not one example of other clubs calling out the AFL or umpires.

Jesus's wept.

43 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Not going to give you time and date mate.

I've recalled both Coaches mentioning the umpiring in less than cryptic terms.

Maybe you can pay more attention 🤔🤷‍♂️

Seriously?

I should pay more attention?

You claim Collingwood and Geelong club have called the AFL out and/or even publicly criticising the umpiring?

But the best you’ve got is you recall 'both Coaches mentioning the umpiring in less than cryptic terms'?

So, in other words you can't give an example of club calling the AFL out and/or even publicly criticised the umpiring?

Just some hazy vibes and recollections of less than cryptic comments (whatever that means) from two coaches.

No recollection of what they were actually criticising? Or even when it was? Must have been super compelling press conferences.

By your definition goody practically went nuclear on the umpires in discussing daicos suddenly getting a spike in frees after half time and saying he hopes all players get that treatment.

In any case I wasn't spoiling for a fight, I was simply trying to highlight that knocking the dees for not unloading on umpires Is unfair as no clubs do so.

And when that was challenged genuinely asking for an example.

i didn't even ask you for an example - I was responding to another poster

iin any case, thanks for going to the effort of replying - your post has proved my point not rebutted it.

It's just another false narrative, like how bad our our culture supposedly is, that some dees fans love to amplify.

9 hours ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

I'm mates with Ryan Daniels and he believes Jackson won't be leaving Freo. He thinks they will be trading Darcy....

Tha5a what I would do too, and i think it's probably the most likely outcome.

But a lot depends on whether Jackson really wants out.

If he Jackson is afamant he want out, they of course can play hard ball and keep him to his contract, but that would be a risk because nor every player is a Lachie neale which put there head down and continues to play elite footy

23 minutes ago, doomsday dee said:

Hey Binman,just wondering what your interpretation is when someone is outta form,does that mean not many touches or a small defender taking on the most dangerous small forwards in the AFL(some are all Australian)and I would say,hasn't been beaten yet

Sorry, don't follow DD.

12 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

Have a chat to the boss. I don't use the app, just access via Google Chrome on my phone.

Me too. Maybe it's my brain

The site is lagging like crazy is what i should have said.

And there are some funky formatting and editing issues.

But, you're right I better speak to @Demonland

22 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Yep.. Geelong and Collingwood

Really, when?

1 minute ago, ANG13 said:

What is Rivers trade value? Again I would prefer not to have to use JVR or Rivers and definitely not McVee but would absolutely love to get LJ back

Yep Riv would be in the mix.

26 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

It's been mentioned multiple times on Demonland that starting with this off season, clubs will be able to trade two future firsts. So 2026 and 2027 could be traded.

As big a blow as it would be lose Jackson, Freo are well placed to cover the loss.

Darcy is a terrific ruck (though his injuries are becoming a worry) and up forward they have Amiss and Traecy.

And trading Jackson would really help with their salary cap, will surely must be an issue given the contracts Bolton, Serong, Brayshaw, Young are on and Amiss and Traecy will demand.

Two future firsts and a decent WA player like McVee or JVR might get them somewhere close.

If he wants out they will have to weigh up the risks of forcing him to stay - they'd want to be confident he'd perform to a high level.

3 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

Snapping all over the place. 😂

The app is lagging like crazy

52 minutes ago, Superunknown said:

But the club will not say anything because good corporate citizen

Can you name an example of any club call8ng the AFL out, or even publicly criticising the umpiring?

1 hour ago, jaydenh10 said:

hopefully jack takes care of him quickly he is a [censored] loser

Send langers to him.

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46 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

I know. I'm a fan too. I guess I'm hypothetically thinking about list balance and what could land LJ, that solves not just the ruck/forward problem, but the Max succession.

Snap

Go redleggers.

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BUT, if there is any sort of chance of landing Jackson i hope they do what it takes to get him - and whatever it takes might include putting JVR on the table.

It really is impossible to replace Gawn - but getting Jackson in would be huge in terms of creating an opportunity for a succession plan

Jackson is still young (24 in September) - barring serious injury he'll play another eight to ten seasons.

I could see Max playing three more seasons after this year.

That takes Jackson to 27 years old, hitting his peak, with still another six or seven seasons left in his career as the number one ruck. Perfect

I reckon Maxy struggled to find synergy with Grundy in large part because he wants to be the man. Super competitive, he'd be happy to take every ruck contest.

But it seemed to work better Jackson. And if they can make it work it might help to extend Maxy's career.

Keeping Koz and getting Jackson in would be a game changer.

All that said, how good would it be to get Jackson AND keep JVR.

40 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

I think we'd have to look at it, but I'd rather keep JVR and give him rhe second forward role with no Rick responsibility, play him next to LJ and Petty/Turner.

I'm a huge jvr fan - I'm absolutely convinced he'll be a gun.

That's hardly a big call - even with his middling form this season, his career numbers stack up well against his current peers (eg Amiss, Treacy, JUH, Darcy, McDonald, Philthorp) and the gun key forwards in the 2000s (eg Netiz, Lyon, Cunrnow, Kennedy, Darling, McKay, Naughton, not a mile from Brown) at the same age.

I really rate Treacy, and he is in ripping form this season.JVR's career numbers are comparable to Treacy, who is a season ahead (and almost a year older) than Roo:

3 hours ago, JJJ said:

I went to a Premium Members function where Danners said that if Travis Johnstone had Longmuir’s application to training and preparation he would be the best player in the league. Danners was super [censored] off when Troy left.

With his kicking skills and high footy iq a super fit TJ would be the prototype modern player.

1 hour ago, Clintosaurus said:

Solid rant on the umpires @binman but I would have gone further and called them cheats. The coaching they receive is the cause, especially when they are it would seem clearly told to look after Nick Daicos in the second half.

I actually wasn't going to do a rant at all - planned to be all measured and solution focus.

Clearly i haven't processed my emotions about umpiring yet.

19 hours ago, binman said:

They don't have numbers 0 thru 9 in stock at all times?

Take up too much space? Too complex? They only sell 43 sets?

'Sorry binman I know you want kozzie's number but we're all out of 3s sorry.

Can I interest you in a Windsor - half the the price!

Or I think we can do you a Laurie - wait hold on, sorry we're all out of 1s too.

How about a Jed or a Jai.

Alternatively, how about we put a 6 in place and you come back at a later date and we you can add the 3 - good valuw as you can have a salo flr a while and its insurance in case koz doesn't resign'

36 on my back here we come (subject to availability)!!!!

11 minutes ago, Ghostwriter said:

The Demon Shop sells jumper numbers and they have an industrial press (a household iron isn’t hot enough). They charge $13 per numeral.

Best to call them before heading in because they don’t have every number in stock at all times.

They don't have numbers 0 thru 9 in stock at all times?

Take up too much space? Too complex? They only sell 43 sets?

'Sorry binman I know you want kozzie's number but we're all out of 3s sorry.

Can I interest you in a Windsor - half the the price!

Or I think we can do you a Laurie - wait hold on, sorry we're all out of 1s too.

How about a Jed or a Jai.

Alternatively, how about we put a 6 in place and you come back at a later date and we you can add the 3 - good valuw as you can have a salo flr a while and its insurance in case koz doesn't resign'