binman

24 minutes ago, The Jackson FIX said:

Humphrey, Steele and Rogers

Sounds like a folk act from the 70s

More Laurel Canyon alt rock, alt country vibes for mine.

27 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

It doesn’t but you’re not getting the 6th best draftee you’re getting the 11th best draftee in a weak draft.

Not necessarily as your calculation assumes the draft is an accurate gauge of future relative performance.

I'd argue that's only true for the top 5 picks, and even then, there are plenty of top 5 picks that become decent AFL players but are well and truly shaded by players in the same draft who were picked later in the draft.

The handwringing about draft picks and purported salary offers does my head in.

5 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

I bet you already know this but I will humour you to highlight your point 🙂that it is a good deal in comparison.

Pick 28, that was used as 'steak knives' for the pick trade with Ess for their 2025 pick 9 which eventually netted Lindsay.

Yes, well perhaps not as clever a way to make my point as I hoped.

My point being i can't believe some posters think pick 23 is unders.

Nibbla has barely missed a game through injury, his last three seasons have been elite, is widely respected for his training standards and leadership, is an aerobic beast who plays a critical role and is a premiership player.

I thought pick 28 was unders for Nibbla, but nonetheless it gives us some sense of market value.

Mcvee has plenty of upside, is talented and has more footy left but he'll do very well to be the player nibbla has become.

So, if anything, pick 23 isovers for mcvee

But you touch on an important point luci., one I wasn't making.

Outside of say a top 10 or 15 pick the actual number is somewhat meaningless once filtered thru factors like how a club uses that pick (eg packaging it up, on trading it, using it on a player no other club is likely to take at that pick, points etc etc).

2 hours ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Not sure what people are complaining about. A top of the 2nd round draft pick is not too shabby.

And if it is WCE ND23 it is the first pick in the 2nd round - a highly valued and in high demand at the start of the 2nd night of the draft. So I hope we hold it until then as traditionally clubs pay overs to draft any sliders from the first round.

Also, the trade people here wanted ND 12 for our pick 27 and McVee in points terms is approx ND 25. ND23 is a better result no matter how one looks at.

ps I'm still shattered at losing him🥹

Yep.

Remind me luci what draft pick did we get for nibbla?

2 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

Judd reckons players rule the roost, and he wants out.

But Judd also reckons he has the right to demand from his coach where he plays.

So he too, is trying to rule the roost.

The ironing is delicious.

1 hour ago, Demons25 said:

Jackson, Jordan, Harmes, Neale-Bullen, Oliver, May, Pertacca, Spargo - that's 38% of the 21 Premiership team that will end up playing GOOD football at other clubs. It hardly screams great club culture does it?

NONE OF GEELONG'S 2022 PREMIERSHIP PLAYERS HAVE PLAYED FOR OTHER CLUBS!!!!'

Not good enough?

15 minutes ago, GawnOfTheDead said:

We have offered to pay up to $700,000 of his salary for whoever takes him on if anyone.

Allegedly.

Not having a shot at you but it does my head in how in 2025 we collectively seem to have lost the ability to question the veracity of information that finds its way onto the internet, and even more concerningly seem to always rush to conclusions.

I mean whatever happened to just taking a beat until all the information comes out before assuming something is factual.

1 hour ago, Go Ds said:

Hmm, I had a second game where you kind of spun ... moved a wheel under a panel and it would come up with a 'result' each time - 4 ... 6 ... 1... 0.... wicket. Neither of these game had anything to do with the actual sport.😂

That game is the one pictured (i think it came out in the early 70s).

Pretty boring to be honest - but awesome, albeit somewhat misleading, picture on the front of the box.

6 hours ago, Go Ds said:

Is that the game with the figurines, including the bowler with the seesaw arm and batter with moveable bat and the tiny metallic ball? 😃

No.

But what a brilliant game that was - as crazy cricket nuffy i had that game and played it all the time. It was only way i could ever hit cricket ball though the V. And jeez my field setting was elite.

Funnily enough a mate gave me the game in the picture above for my birthday last year.

1 hour ago, mo64 said:

To suggest that Trac is Tom Morris' source is beyond ridiculous.

There is clearly a leak within the football department. Given the mass turnover of staff, it narrows down to a select few.

Not keen on an argument, suffice to say both of these assertions completely fail the Occam's razor test.

4 hours ago, Cossie_84 said:

A mate just sent me this, up in the melb CBD haha.

It's funny - based on this thread that petition is just as likely to have been created by a Dees fan as a Crows supporter!

2 hours ago, At the break of Gawn said:

This is exactly what I want to hear. If he goes, so be it, but we must be adequately compensated.

Spot on.

As I've previously noted its a total win win situation for us.

34 minutes ago, deegirl said:

I’m a shallow woman so all I know is that’s he’s very pretty 😂

He is indeed.

But unfortunately, he plays a bit pretty too i reckon. By that i mean whilst we are in desperate need of a player with his kicking skills i have question mark over his intensity and contest work.

Not every player needs to be contest beast, and perhaps I'm being unfair, but i feel like he picks and chooses a bit and i'm of the view that few players that are not instinctively hard at it ever really address that issue.

9 minutes ago, chookrat said:

To be honest I wouldn't mind Tex to be included in the deal on the basis we offer him 2 years and that it doesnt have any impact re pick compensation for Trac, e.g. Adelaide essentially throw him im for free.

Jesus H Christ I would.

I don't want that racist [censored] anywhere near my club.

The dees have done a power of work in recent years to make the club more culturally safe foe Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islands people.

We needed to as we were coming from a long way back - but are now leaders in this space.

We were one of the first clubs to do a Reconciliation Action Plan (RAP) and are now onto our second iteration/stage of the RAP process (there are 3 levels of RAPs).

We were the first club to use our traditional name for the area we represent - Naarm.

Other clubs have followed as have organisations across the community.

And i think we were the first club to create an indigenous jumper for Sir Doug Nichols round.

We have also made meaningful connections with the Aboriginal community in the Alice and NT.

By all accounts Wheels is doing a great job supporting our Aboriginal players.

And we have supported our Aboriginal players to remain connected to family and country.

There is zero doubt in my mind that a big factor in Koz sticking with us and signing a long-term contract is because of the club's commitment to cultural safety.

The very last thing we want, or need, is Walker at our club.

2 hours ago, jnrmac said:

Bizarre post

Clearly didn't read Gawn's book

Is this a serious post jnr?

37 minutes ago, Billy said:

Are you serious

We’ve treated him like royalty & bent over backwards to keep him happy

Believe everything you hear in the media do you Binman?

He’s not even giving the new Coach, the new CEO the new President, the hopefully new culture the time of day

He’s on 1.3 million & you feel sorry for him

I find your posts normally very balanced, but to put this all on the club is naive,

Um Billy, i was being sarcastic. Players drive culture - good and bad.

1 minute ago, adonski said:

We're lucky Trac is a January birthday, and that he's still 29 for the trade period. Much better optics than him being 30!

This is a serious post, I am not a crackpot

binman: only a true crackpot would deny being a crackpot

adonski: ok, i am a crackpot

binman: he is a crackpot, he is crackpot!

(PS - please land on anew avatar - I'm getting confused)

18 minutes ago, mo64 said:

Here we go. Demonland is true to form. Pages and pages of vitriol to one of the club's greatest players. Especially the happy clappers who always think everything is rosey at the club. Then when a player wants to leave, they turn on the player.

For Petracca wanting to leave, then that's on the club. Our culture was putrid.

Unless we get the right deal, hold him to his contract. But I have no faith in Tim Lamb, so I can see us getting screwed over by the Crows.

If Trac leaves, he'll be remembered as a key part of the only flag in my lifetime.

Agree.

If Tracc wants to leave that is 100% on the club.

The players bear no responsibility for the culture of the club. They are passive observers.

1 hour ago, demoncat said:

My take is that while he’s not a game breaking kick like a Houston or Zorko type, he generally has high disposal efficiency and is good at accumulating and hitting those 30m targets that we so often struggle with

Ta.

We need at least one or two more players who can regularly hit those really high risks (by the by I'm hopeful XL wil develop into one such player), particularly if we do end up losing McVeee, but players who can reliably hit those 30 metre kicks are even more critical i reckon.

Games are won and lost on turnover these days and missing those sorts of kicks has a double impact - the oppo win the ball back and are often gifted a scoring opportunity, but as significant, perhaps more so, a potential scoring chain is broken.

5 hours ago, Dee Zephyr said:

Clearly Josh is not good at maths. I reckon it’s 50%…Trac either stays or he doesn’t.

He could quit footy.

In the Sun's games I've watched Flanders seem to be a pretty good kick but when watching other teams it's easy to over rate kicking skills as the (inevitable) turnovers don't stand out as much as when watching the dees.

Do any keen watchers of the Suns have an informed view of Flander's kicking skills?

Disappointing it looks like he might be going.

That said, whilst I agree his best position is a half back that pushes up the ground I'm not a big fan of the 'i want to play more in x role' seemingly being part of his rationale for staying and leaving.

For one thing circumstances, in particular AMW going down, meant that wasn't the best thing for the team last season. So shut it.

But leaving that aside it just screams me, me, me. Someone who is 100% team first doesn't make it a thing.

And besides, that position is no picnic, and given there is usually only one such player, two tops, in any team that player has to excel.

Now, he may well have done so at the dees, he has the tools, but it's not as if he has runs on the board in that role to back up his confidence or make demands of the club.

And I'll be fascinated, assuming he actually gets to Freo, if he even gets an opportunity to play that role as Freo have more options than us.

31 minutes ago, lorn said:

Yeah we're lucky because we have one of the best small forwards, but another good one would be good, but they're becoming hot property

I have been saying this for years, and using the lions as the exemplar - teams need mutiple goal kicking medium mid/forwards, forward/mids and wing/half backs who can push forward and be a threat (eg dempsey, ah chee).

Icing on the cake if they are also good over head

Two such players ain't gonna cut it, let alone one.

Just look how man such players the lions have - McCluggage, Raynor, Bailey, Berry, Ah Chee, Lohmann, Zorko and Wilmont.

And that's not even counting smalls like Cameron, as he's a permanent forward (though does push up when not in the game) or more pure mids like Fletcher, Ashcroft x 2 and Neale, all of whom kick their share of goals.

To illustrate the importance to lions of such players, if you include the latter group (ie Cameron, Fletcher etc etc) 17 of their 18 goals were kicked by small/mediums (the outlier was Morris' late goal).

51 minutes ago, lorn said:

Another premiership where small forwards were critical. Small forwards have become more important than tall forwards.

Was just about to post the same.

Given how potent each team are and how good the weather was, save the tricky wind, the total match point line was a very low 177 points.

They blew past that, albeit late, and the TMP ended up being 197.

So, a very high scoring game.

But despite both teams having gun tall forwards, kpfs scored bugger all and had barely impact on the game.

Worth keeping in mind when the drum starts beating on us needing to bring in a gun key forward.

3 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Brisbane had plenty go wrong this year. Injuries, a ridiculously hard fixture, then losing the first final and Neale doing a calf.

To win despite all that is an elite achievement.

Geelong, meanwhile, have everything you could ask for and still [censored] the bed in the Grand Final. I absolutely love it.

I wondered if that nasty gastro bug ad hir again. Geez the cats are dead unlucky.