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3 minutes ago, Colm said:

If we paid $400k in the first couple of years then I’d assume we would pay less in the final 2 as I think his contract tapers off then.

Collingwood were able to win a flag while paying Grundy $300k and cap has increased since then.

Bringing in a top 10 draft pick as part of the deal gives us wriggle room. The difference in wages between Langford and Trac would be around $1m a year at the min.

I’d rather drop the money and get the draft capital.

Tracc's contract tapers down from the current annual salary of $1.7 million to $1.2 million and doesn't go below $1.2 million a season.

40 minutes ago, Colm said:

I think that’s a fair deal. If we want to get good picks/player coming our way in the Trac deal then we are going to have pay a chunk of his wages.

The cost to pay Flanders and a top ten draft pick would leave enough change out of what we are currently paying Trac to cover our end.

Trac gets a shot a final/flag and chance to build his brand somewhere else, Suns( or Crows get player in to help them win now and we get two players ( back JT to get a good one with a top 10 pick either in this draft or the next) that will hopefully be around for the next 10 years.

We have a great young crop but I would still like us to add more A grade young talent.

If we can get a best 22 player and a top 10 pick I’m happy to cover some of his wages.

Cover 400k of tracc's salary every season until 2029?

Play a bloke 1.2 million dollars to play for another team. I don't think so.

35 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

Lets just say GC offer up pick 6 and Sam Flanders. I've little doubt we'd be on the hook for upto $400K of his salary. I wouldn't expect Tracc would be taking a paycut. I'm actually ok with that as he clearly would prefer to move on or he and his manger could do would Clayton and his just did. To me he's a petulant man child who at his best can destroy a game of football but his bravery his been dented (totally understandably so) but his petulance remains. I'm now fully in the trade him out camp.

Do you really think we'd give up Tracc for pick six and flanders AND pay 400K of his salary (would have to be multiple years)?

The only possible world in which we would do so is we desperately wanted him gone because of Baliey Smith level behavioral issues - and no one is suggesting tracc is in that boat.

A key factor, and i think likely a deal breaker, in any potential tracc trade is his salary.

The article posted above says it's currently 1.7 million a year and going forward doesn't drop below 1.2 million a year.

Tracc is still star and had a good season as evidenced by his bluey result and CD player rating.

But even the biggest tracc fan would concede that his 2025 form was still miles from his very best form and there were few, if any, examples of his ability to turn a game on his head and win it off his own boot.

And I don't think it's unfair to say his injury is still a factor psychologically, which is totally understandable by the way.

À club paying a player 1.2 million a season want AA level output. Tracc wasn't close to that this season.

Sure, he might get back to that level but does a club want to take 1.2 million a year punt on a bloke pushing 30?

Perhaps a gold coast might for the star factor, but even if one of the current top 4 clubs wanted to take that punt one of the reasons those teams are successful is they already have stars on big contracts. How is say the crows going to fit 1.2 million in their salary cap when they are shelling out big coin for Rankin et al.

I guess walker might retire and that would free up some salary cap space, but young guns like Philthorpe are gonna want a big pay rise at some point.

All a long way of saying that realistically if tracc wants to go to a team with a genuine chance of winning a premiership next season he is very likely going to have to take a sizable haircut salary wise.

At this point in his career does he really want to do that?

8 hours ago, ChaserJ said:

6 hours ago, Demons64 said:

First post,long time Dee fanatic,suffice to say that I cried in 1954 and again in 1958,I’ve since forgiven the Doggies,but the rage I felt in 58 has never abated,I Still hate the Pies.The question I would like all those advocating we trade either Trac or Clarry to answer is in what world does losing either or both makes us

better side,salary cap,relief maybe,but who do spend it on?nobody wants to come,draft picks in a poor and compromised draft,I’m sorry I fail to see the logic.

Agree on clarry but not tracc - and that's not a knock on tracc.

If we put clarry on the trade table we have no chance of getting anything in return that is a net positive even on this seasons form (which was serviceable) and certainly not on what we might expect next season (he was getting over to his best in the last third of the season and not coincidentally looking in better nick).

But we could get a good return for tracc, whether that's draft picks a player or a combination of the two.

As good as tracc is, with clarry, viney and Langford (who will eventually surely go into the middle) we have too many midfield bulls.

And we have too few outside mids/half back flankers/utilities that are elite kicks and good wheels.

That is our single biggest need.

Id support trading tracc if it helped us fill that need.

44 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

This is from a click bait site but …

New Demons coach discusses list plans, expectations for 2026

Article says "King takes the helm at Casey".

I'm guessing that might come as a surprise to King

18 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

if buckley does get the taswegian job, he'll have had 7 years between afl coaching gigs

quite the gap

That's an excellent point.

Seven years of zero time at an AFL club in any role is a very long time to be out of the game even if involved in footy media.

Good.

He never got the scrutiny he deserved for how poor our defensive system was this season.

3 minutes ago, Ghostwriter said:

I know, I know. My leaving game’s been good of late. There’s always gonna be that one ball I can’t resist.

Yes, it 100% has - kudos.

And yep, all batters have shot they can't put away (mine was the hoik across the line to cow corner) and every decent bowler knows how to put a ball in exactly the right spot to make the batter play at it.

2 hours ago, Ghostwriter said:

Yet it’s ok to relentlessly and unfairly goad me on the subject of Judd and his contract?

On 13/09/2025 at 08:19, At the break of Gawn said:

Skipworth was never going to get it. He pulled out just to save face. This is a guy who lost to McQualter for the Eagles job. Bullet dodged imo.

King on the other hand, probably would have won the Eagles job had it not been for his health scare on the day of his interview.

I liked the idea of Bucks because I thought his profile would help the club, but, I and many others on here, had lingering doubts about his ability to actually coach. Just ask any Collingwood supporter and they get confused as to why everyone was keen on Bucks.

The club has run a proper process and King was the best candidate. Let's get behind him.

I'm looking forward to the first King's speech to the playing group which hopefully they share on social media.

Hopefully he's sorted his stutter.

11 minutes ago, Ted Lasso said:

If Tassie decide they want a premiership coach I reckon we could offer bucks an assistant coaching role. Maybe start him off as part time development and he can work his way up

For [censored] and giggles Tassie should appoint goody as their inaugural coach.

3 minutes ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

Can someone explain to me why so many people wanted Buckley? He was a poor coach last time. He took over a side consistently playing finals and took them to the bottom. He was unpopular with the players. He never won a flag as a player or coach. What exactly does he bring to the table aside from a famous name?

Glitch

3 minutes ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

Can someone explain to me why so many people wanted Buckley? He was a poor coach last time. He took over a side consistently playing finals and took them to the bottom. He was unpopular with the players. He never won a flag as a player or coach. What exactly does he bring to the table aside from a famous name?

Agree - I couldn't believe people were a keen on him. Would have been a disaster.

5 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

A nice start from hiim:

“Melbourne has a rich history, and I feel very humbled to be given this opportunity at one of the oldest professional sporting clubs in the world,” King said. “I can’t wait to meet the playing group, my fellow coaches, the staff, and the Demon faithful, and start building towards 2026.”

htking-of-the-castle-melbourne-demons-appoint-geelong-cats-assistant-steven-king-as-coach

One small gripe - king in future olease refer to us THE oldest oldest professional sporting club in the world (I dont care if not true)

3 minutes ago, GawnOfTheDead said:

Good luck,

Fingers crossed for you and the team.

@demoand, can you put up a post about his background and stats etc. few won’t know enough about him.

From the mfc articke:

In a decorated on-field career, King played 240 AFL games across a 15-year stint at both Geelong and St Kilda. He captained the Cats for four seasons, achieving the ultimate success in 2007 as part of the premiership team.

He switched to the Saints ahead of the 2008 season, playing in three campaigns for St Kilda before calling time on his playing days in 2010.

Following his retirement, King quickly shifted to coaching, remaining at the Saints for two seasons before heading to Whitten Oval to join the Western Bulldogs.

He tasted further success across a 10-season stretch at the Dogs, part of the coaching panel to deliver the 2016 premiership win and 2021 Grand Final appearance.

King took a senior assistant coaching role at the Gold Coast SUNS in 2022, where he was also appointed caretaker coach for seven matches at the back end of 2023.

He then returned to the club he called home in Geelong, working with the midfield for the past two seasons.

King will continue in this role for the remainder of Geelong’s AFL Finals campaign, officially joining the red and blue at its conclusion.

1 minute ago, Dannyz said:

We don’t know what we don’t know.

Craig McRae was an assistant who bounced around clubs and he was found through an interview process to be the right guy for the Pies.

Yep.

If Kelly gets the gig I'll get behind him.

I think Buckley is close to a lock. And would be a good choice.

But if, for whatever reason, Buckley isn't the coach having a first time senior coach, presumably with tonnes of energy and ideas about how they want to go about it, is an exciting alternative.

2 hours ago, old55 said:

There's just been a hell of a lot of colouring in of James Kelly's attributes in this thread without any basis except a report that he impressed the selection committee and he's been at Geelong so must be good.

2 hours ago, old55 said:

There's just been a hell of a lot of colouring in of James Kelly's attributes in this thread without any basis except a report that he impressed the selection committee and he's been at Geelong so must be good.

For years Goodwin was not the right guy (despite 200 plus games coached, an excellent winning strike rate and flag).

And Kelly, yet to coach a single AFL game is the right guy.

15 hours ago, MrFreeze said:

MFC media reporting Billings and the MFC have decided to mutually part ways. So, maybe he is not delisted in the same way the other players were. He may be joining another club as a free agent, but is not as far along in the process as Spargo.

Agree.

I reckon there's a good chance he'll be picked up by another team, perhaps the Eagles or even the tigers as they probably need some experience.

40 minutes ago, Ted Lasso said:

Caroline Wilson was scathing at Melbourne for their treatment of Goodwin, one of only four people to coach the Demons to a premiership.

“How disgraceful, the way Melbourne treated their premiership coach, really,” she said.

“I mean, (sacking him) three games out, why not let him stay, he should have been at the best and fairest.”

Cleary added: “Did they rush because they thought Carlton might have moved on Michael Voss?”

“They did and they botched it,” Wilson responded.

So I’m not sure what evidence there is that we’ve botched anything given we haven’t even hired a new coach.

Earlier in the same article it states Goodwin was invited to the best and fairest and he declined so Caro saying he should have been there is very very silly from a very experienced journo who absolutely knows better.

7NEWS

Ta.

As i first thought, that's 100% her opinion - that's to say she's not claiming the club didn't give Goody the option of coaching to season's end. Just in her view we treated him poorly.

And the context is important - the article is not written but merely has quotes from her (and Mitch Cleary) lifted from the show she's on The Agenda Setters which is essentially an opinion show.

I disagree with her that club treated Goody disgracefully. And to be honest it's bit rich for some as experienced, particularly in terms of the politics of footy, to knock the club for sacking him 3 rounds out - i mean that's footy and has ever been thus.

So i don't but her argument, don't agree with her opinion (which by the by, is pretty hyperbolic) but i'm not fused one way or another.

She's paid to have opinions, particularly in her role on Agenda Setters, and the reality in this day and age is edgy opinions get more traction.

What i hate is when journos create false narratives, for example by quoting some anonymous source who has their own agenda, to create a story where there isn't one. And then when it becomes clear that there's no there there, fall back on the old 'well my source was wrong' palaver.

24 minutes ago, I'va Worn Smith said:

I'm somewhat surprised that Guerra did not speak last night. I would have thought the B&F would have been a perfect platform to set out his vision for the club.

So was i.

I actually thought it was kinda strange he didn't as I'm pretty sure Green said he had commenced and as you say what better opportunity for him to put his flag in the ground and introduce himself to passionate supporters, almost all of whom are paid up members.

12 minutes ago, demoncat said:

Caro is well within her rights to give her opinion - the problem is she’s misrepresented the clubs actions here, incorrectly saying we didn’t give him the option to coach to the end of the season

Did she say the club didn't give Goody the option of coaching to season's end (i haven't read the article)?

1 hour ago, Ted Lasso said:

Caro has given us another almighty whack that seemingly has no basis in reality.

she stated Goodwin should have stayed for the final 3 games, and been sacked at the end of the year. My info is he was offered that and declined. We told him as soon as the decision was made respectfully and we celebrated his time as coach and spoke glowingly of him.

she said he should have been at the BNF. Again my info is he was invited to come and very welcome but he respectfully declined.

now I’m just a random person and I could figure this out, so either Caro has really average sources on this, she hasn’t done enough research or she’s running on bias and telling a fib. I don’t really know what it is, but the idea Melbourne haven’t handled this respectfully if Goodwin is a bit of a joke in my opinion.

My only criticism is I wouldn’t have sacked him and paid him not to coach unless we had someone we saw as an upgrade ready to step in. If John Longmire was keen to join the club for example.

I haven't read the article you are referring to, but you don't seem to be suggesting Caro has made unsubstantiated claims, just that Goody should have stayed for the final 3 game and been at the BNF

To be fair, Caro is an opinion writer and seemingly in her opinion Goody should have stayed for the final 3 games, been at the BNF and that the club haven't handled the situation respectfully (or is she reporting that Goody thinks otherwise?)

No law that says anyone has to agree with her opinion.

11 minutes ago, Hellfire Dub said:

Learnings