binman

Luker!!!!!

23 minutes ago, layzie said:

12:30? How am I supposed to get stuffed done?

Easy.

Take my approach today - do stuff all.

2 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

good mark and nice kick by kentfield to bring the margin back to 5 points

Sticky hands - excellent mark on the lead

Ricky Mentha the only player looking a class above. Positive signs.

Good lord, our kicking is just appalling.

Forget not VFL standard it's nor even local footy D grade standard.

20 minutes ago, At the break of Gawn said:

I'm not confident at all. I know we've had 3 losses in a row and will look to bounce back, but so have the Suns and they'll be absolutely determined to not let this one slip.

I think Max King will get a hold of May unfortunately and he could be on the chopping block at next week's selection.

Suns by 37.

I'm the opposite.

I'm actually really confident about how well go today.

We'll be as fresh as we're ever going to be given we're coming of our bye.

Conversely, the AFL has done us a solid as the Suns are off a six day break and travel.

And the suns gws game, which I watched, was a very intense, high pressure game with lots of arc to arc running so will be no easy thing to back up from.

In terms of our method, we match up well against the suns I reckon.

They have a leg speed advantage but i think our selection has in part looked to negate that advantage.

I agree they will be desperate to win after 3 losses on the trot, but as you note so will we and I'm not convinced beng desperate to win nessarily translates to doing so (the Suns were desperate to win last week).

Dees by 17.

I'm having strong flashbacks of my Melbourne high footy career, such as it was:

• very early game, hours before the ones strut their stuff

• absolutely woeful standard

2 minutes ago, BangBnagBang said:

Don't let facts get in the way Binman

Sorry, I keep forgetting the eye test and the vibe trumps data.

2 minutes ago, binman said:

You want quicker movement of the half back hey.

Being the second quickest in the AFL behind the cats not good enough for you?

You think we should be number one?

AFL 2025 SPEED OF BALL NUMBERS AFTER ROUND 15 (Fastest to slowest)

1. Geelong: Speed 114, Time 115, Distance 109, DTG 103

2. Melbourne: Speed 114, Time 123, Distance 113, DTG 100

3. Western Bulldogs: Speed 109, Time 108, Distance 101, DTG 109

Fox Sports

Thanks to @roy11 for that article by the by - they posted it in the stats file thread.

My reply, which is relevant here, was:

As ive noted on the pod a few times, we are implementing a new method based on fast transition (ie the modern game plan).

And contrary to the views of some we are implementing that method, or at least the all important ball movement part of it, very effectively.

As montagna notes (in the article) our issue is how we enter inside 50, and of course our woeful accuracy. Improve those aspects of our game and the gap between us and the very best teams closes significantly.

Which is worth considering when assessing where we are at vis a vis the conversation on another thread about how woeful we supposedly are.

1 hour ago, demoniac said:

I just want to see quicker ball movement off half back. Players working into space being honoured by hand and foot. Players told that if they take the game and it doesnt work its ok because until we master faster ball movement we are not going to outscore many teams. Players who can't adjust and play slow when there are options to go fast can work on that at Casey.

You want quicker movement of the half back hey.

Being the second quickest in the AFL behind the cats not good enough for you?

You think we should be number one?

AFL 2025 SPEED OF BALL NUMBERS AFTER ROUND 15 (Fastest to slowest)

1. Geelong: Speed 114, Time 115, Distance 109, DTG 103

2. Melbourne: Speed 114, Time 123, Distance 113, DTG 100

3. Western Bulldogs: Speed 109, Time 108, Distance 101, DTG 109

Fox Sports

I hope Bergman is OK given he'll be a dee next year

38 minutes ago, roy11 said:

Fox Sports

I'm not quite sure what to make of this.

I can.

As ive noted on the pod a few times, we are implementing a new method based on fast transition (ie the modern game plan).

And contrary to the views of some we are implementing that method, or at least the all important ball movement part of it, very effectively.

As montagna notes our issue is how we enter inside 50, and of courseour woeful accuracy. Improve those aspects of our game and the gap between us and the very best teams closes significantly.

Which is worth considering when assessing where we are at vis a vis the conversation on another thread about how woeful we supposedly are.

15 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

You'd be doubly delighted if we picked up Zac Guthrie as well. Woody come to Melbourne, do ya reckon?

Pay that.

3 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

Bergman is our target I hope

I hope so.

And if we get him, whenever he plays well I can post this:

I wouldn't go anywhere near McKay.

Too expensive and tall forwards are new rucks circa the mid 2010s - overated in terms of impact.

It's all about how the ball is delivered to forwards and inside 50 now as opposed to dominant tall forwards being difference makers.

Which of course Is not to say gun key forwards are not important but they are now icing not the cake.

And I'd argue that small to medium forwards are now more important. Ah Chee, Long, Elliot, McCluggage, are the type of players I'm thinking of.

If it were me I'd target Bergman as our real need is utility types who have elite foot skills.

Bergman is exactly what we need - an elite kick who can play hb and wing and can run and carry. Would free up Windsor to go back to the wing and Langford could go into the middle, where he is sure to end up anyway. He can also play forward if need be.

I'm not sure of his contract status but I'd also try and get the Long from the Suns if at all possible. A gun who kicks straight and is a nightmare matchup as he can play small and tall.

1 hour ago, KC from Casey said:

In case you forgot, Casey is in the middle of a four game winning streak. After two Saturday night games played on neutral territory, they move on to People First Stadium, Carrara where they were pantsed by the Gold Coast Suns VFL last year.

This time it’s an early curtain raiser to the AFL game.

That's my Saturday sorted.

1 hour ago, Lil_red_fire_engine said:

Jeffersons game time tonight was better than his recent two 5 goal hauls. His marks were commanding and clean his attack on the ball and man was improved and his kicking well executed. More of this please El Jefo.

One of the better games I have seen Verrall play it was like watching a young Grundy. I do worry he is a touch too small to make it as a ruck and has shown little elsewhere but hope his development continues in the second half of the year.

Vefy much reflectsup my thoughts on both players.

I'd add about Jefferson that his second efforts have really improved in the last few weeks, and we're good again last night. Still dont look instinctive, perhaps because they're not, but he's clearly working hard in that area, and on his contested work, and I love that (ie players working hard to address weaknesses and making good progress)

He is a genuine old school forward who reads the ball super well, knows where the drop zone is and uses his body deftly.

It was great to hear Ben Brown's comments about Jeffo, in particular that he has been working on his aeriel contest work, the implication being he needed to, in particular halving contests and getting the ball to ground (which brown noted is critical for key forwards).

Jeffo was better in that regard, but still needs to improve. That should come though as he gets physically stronger.

1 hour ago, Kev said:

Not sure about the idea that we are better off as a club.

If we were, wouldn't we have been playing for the potential of being a finals contender. We are basically out, and the writing was on the wall very early, zero and five.

Tracc has been good, but he wants to win trophies, he wants big crowds, our club doesn’t match his aspirations. He hasn't been holding us together, Max has.

We are a fractured club. We signed up another big contract, which haven't served us well in the past. I hope that changes, but just can't see it.

I don't want to get into a back and forth kev, but I would argue the evidence contradicts the idea we are fractured club.

The most compellingu evidence is how many players have resigned their contracts in the last 12 months, several of whom, like koz, did not need have to do so as their contract had not yet finished.

In addition to the young players I listed above, Lever, Maxy, Viney, Langdon and now Koz have all resigned or extended their contracts.

That's more than a quarter of the list recommitted to the club in the ladt 12 months.

in fact only one player chose to leave in that time - nibbla, who left for family reasons and was at pains to say at the BF how much he loved the club.

Theres just no way that many players recommit if there is fractures or the environment isn't supportive and positive.

As for long contracts not serving us well again I respectively disagree, foe reasons I've already articulated.

But we will of course see.

But leaving aside tbe debate about koz's contract, I think we can.both agree just how awesome it is that he is staying at the club.

I was, and remain so, just so stoked when I heard the news. I felt like a kid again. Love it

48 minutes ago, Kev said:

The big contracts cannot be bought, unless the seller pays some of the cap.

So that a good thing in Kozz's case then -another club cant turn his head with a big offer.

Certainly was in traccs scenario - the $ we are paying tracc couldn't be matched by other clubs and, as I argued at the time, that made it extremely unlikely that a trade would/could be done - even if tracc really wanted out

And now we have tracc playing great footy, in a great headspace and showing great energy and leadership- so much so that fir the first time in his career people are talking about him being our next captain.

Moral of the story- long contracts of gun players are a net positive for club and player.

14 minutes ago, Kev said:

The contracts have become meaningless. The small contracts can be bought and if we don't match them, chance they will go.

The big contracts are problematic, others cannot afford to buy them, Tracc as an example, does he really want to play for us especially if we continue in this unsuccessful mode. The big contracts are usually back end loaded. As they age, and become good role players or retire injured, we are stuck with big cap fillers. I would rather us be like Geelong than Richmond, and hold the core together, with aging stars sacrificing some salary at the next contract negotiation, for a chance to take the lollies. I love the loyalty. The whole reset of the team doesn't seem to work well.

Calling out for the lobotomiser's.

Wish I was a group think.

You are contradicting yourself kev.

If contracts are meaningless then why do yiy have a problem with the length of Kozzie's contract.

Sure it's great to not blindly buy into the consensus view.

A handful of posters, me included, pushed back on the seeming consensus on DL last October and November that our culture was terrible, we were a rabble, that it was a fait accompli we would lose trac, Oliver and after the 2025 season koz too.

The minority view proved to be the correct one.

But often the consensus view is in fact the correct you one, and imo it is in this case - the koz deal is a total winner for the MFC.

And ironically the Tracc example provides one reason how long contracts can benefit a club by giving us the goal whip hand in any negotiations.

Some might argue clarry's situation provides a counter argument because it makes harder for us to trade him. But I don't give credence to that argue because it presupposes we want to trade him.

Why on earth would we want to trade him, particularly if we can't get top end draft picks in return?

By any measure he has been one of our best players this season and whilst still a ways of his best he iis clearly getting there.

8 minutes ago, ANG13 said:

Has McVee signed an extension?

I thought so, but could be wrong.

2 minutes ago, Kev said:

I think the nature of us as humans, create an anxiety when the stratification is large.

Look what happened to the Tigers when the chance of winning more medals was lost, and the salary was better elsewhere, no loyalty, many jumped.

I would rather be competitive, with a chance of finals, than sitting down the bottom. That requires stability of players. If the players aren't rewarded they move.

Good chance we may lose the middle, if as you say, we don't win. This year is shot, even with our big names. Some clubs will be after our up and coming players. Much will have to change if we are to stay a force. I believe we have missed our windows and large salaries and contracts only impact adversely.

They didn't jump kev. More likely they were pushed.

The tigers knew they had a one in a generation opportunity to go to the draft with an unprecedented number of high end draft picks.

And they took that opportunity.

They won their 3 flags. They weren't going to win another with the list they had.

And in trading our baker, bolton and rioli they made out like bandits and are setting themselves for the next tilt at a flag.

On your point about other clubs comimg after our 'up and coming players', the following such players have all extended their contracts in the last 12 months (meaning the koz contract won't impact our efforts to balance our cap for several years - ie these players are all locked in):

• Turner

• JVR

• Windsor

• Howes

• Kolt

• McVee

• Jefferson

That doesn't leave many up and coming players for other teams to target.

18 hours ago, adonski said:

Bit surprised, thought we might get Lindsay a rest

Agree, he looked cooked.

I reckon it is an indicator how important Lindsay is already for us, particularly in terms of struture - ie his role as a winger, which allows us to use Langdon in other roles (eg high half forward, tagger, mid).

Windsor as sub and swapping out with Langford or Lindsay as needed.

21 minutes ago, Kev said:

Does our society need more Brain Surgeons or GP's?

Does the game flourish when a few take the majority of the pie?

AFL requires a team to win, a happy team, working for each other.

The greater the stratification the more likelihood of unrest, I reckon.

Kev, what causes unrest in football clubs is losing.

And the goal of every single player is to win a flag.

Players will be behind anything that helps a team win more often and increase the chance of winning a flag - including paying one of your top 3 players a salary commensurate to their impact and ability.

Do you really think the tigers players were frustrated they parachuted Lynch in on a massive salary to (I think I'm right in saying he instantly became the highest paid tiger, a team that had just won a flag) in order to increase their chances of winnning another flag

The club has done brilliantly to land this deal. It's huge for the club and our chances of being a force moving forward.

And i would be completely shocked if there was anything but support within the playing group for the terms of koz's contract.

9 minutes ago, junk said:

Most of his team mates would be happy for him , considering that they would NOT be getting a u beaut pay rise in the near distant future.

It does NOT matter if we put all our eggs in the one basket and it does NOT matter if we cannot afford decent key position players.

No wonder we took 57 yrs to win a flag, we will not see another one ever.

What happens if he becomes another Oliver ? Basically he would become un tradable.

Cmon junk, that's just an appalling effort.

I mean i can see that you are just starting out on your troll journey, or at least I hope that's the case for your sake, but this post is amateur hour stuff.

I'd recommend spending some time on Big Footy. Work on your troll craft and get some troll miles under your belt.

And work on a new posting name as to be honest that's where your problems start.

Junk?

Please- what self respecting troll would choose that as a nom de plume for a MFC forum?

What about something like

• Flower Power

• MF Club

• Spud Dullard's smile