binman

35 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Oh FFS. Nothing but hyperbole. It wasn't a near death experience.

By that metric, giving birth is a "near-death experience".

Following the dees is a near death experience.

18 minutes ago, Demonsone said:

Why Carlton they wil be sacking Voss next season Curnow wants out & silvagni gone makes zero sense

I'm confused, what are you saying here?

Hello, Brendan speaking.

G'day Windy it's Bucks

Nathan Buckley?

Um, yes

Hello Nathan, i prefer Brendan, how can i help?

Oh, ok Brendan - um, nothing big, i just happened to see some news about the stadium in Tassie and, um, some possible planning issues and, no biggie, but was just wondering if there's any risk it won't be built?

Nathan, are you asking in your capacity as a media representative?

Hah, hah, hah

Silence

Oh, you are not joking. No Brendan I'm asking in my capacity, um is this line secure?

Sorry?

Nothing, nothing - no I'm just asking as a private citizen, and you know in my capacity as the inaugural coach of the Tassie Devils

In your capacity as the inaugural coach of the Tassie Devils? Well, Nathan i don't know what you are referring to on that front but i can let you know we most certainly have a Plan B in the unlikely event a purpose-built stadium with a retractable roof is not build in Hobart in the next 18 months

Oh, ok. Thats sounds good. So, all systems go for the Devils to have their first AFL game in 2027?

Well Nathan, I'm not at liberty to discuss such sensitive matters with any Tom, Dick or Nathan but what i can tell you is that the Tasmania Football Club will field teams in the Victorian Football League and Victorian Football League Women’s in 2026 and those plans intersect with our Plan B, which will most certainly see us start in 2027

Oh, ok great Brendan. Sooooo Plan B is?

Well Nathan you might have read on our website that the Devils VFL and VFLW teams will play their home matches in Hobart and Launceston, with the possibility of also playing games in Penguin, in 2026. If yes, disregard that - this a fluid environment and, keep this under your hat for now, we will now be playing all our home games at Casey

Sorry Brendan, i think i might have misheard you. Where will we, sorry you, be playing our, sorry, your home VFL games next season?

Casey

I thought that's what you said. Where in Tasmania is Casey?

Did i mention Tasmania Nathan? Casey is out Cranbourne way, a lovely part of the world by all accounts, and our new ground is where the Melbourne Football Club sometimes train - perhaps you know it?

Um, yes. I've never been there but it's........ um, ah, Brendan what does that have to do with Plan B?

Well, Nathan, the AFL have advised us that we must meet their timelines and be ready to go round one of the 2027 season so until the stadium situation is sorted the Devils will train and play at Casey

They will do what now?

Train and play at Casey until a stadium us built in Tasmania.............Nathan are you ok?

.................................................um, yes, fine Brendan. Look, i have to go, good luck with everything.

Hello, Brad Green speaking

Greeny, old mate its Bucks

Click.

15 hours ago, Demonstone said:

"Oh yeah? Come here and say that!"

"Yeah, what Nathan said!"

7 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

In the MLB there is a stat called "Wins Above Replacement".

If you're in the positive, you're helping your team. If you're in the negative you're actively harming your team due to the mistakes and low production. The best MLB players are worth 5 or more wins per season. So in essence if they didn't play all season, their team would be 5 losses worse off.

In the AFL, I'd suspect the likes of N Daicos and Bont would be a worth a few wins to their side. For example, the Dogs W/L ratio improved when Bont returned from injury.

Onto Trac:

I wonder how many wins Trac was worth to the side this year? Or to reframe the question, how many wins would have we had if Trac played 0 games this year. If the answer is 6 instead of 7 wins, then you'd contemplate moving him on. If the answer was 3 wins, then you'd have to consider keeping him.

Post the Trac injury in 2024, we lost 3 close games to GWS, Brisbane and Port. I thought Trac would have been the difference in those close losses. However we continued to lose close games in 2025 with his presence this time.

In conclusion, how valuable is Trac to our side next year in terms of tallying wins?

I think the answer to that is dependent on whether Tracc can get back to his very best.

He's never been a great kick, but his radar was miles off this year - particularly his goal kicking (set shot and on the run). That significantly reduced his impact on games this season.

And i think he, understandably, was still carrying the mental scars of his horrific injury last season.

I actually think the two things (his kicking and the injury) are interrelated as he is an emotional bloke who plays his best footy when feeling powerful.

Hopefully he's in a better place next season mentally in terms of his injury and if so there's every reason to believe he will gte back to his impactful best.

11 hours ago, DemonBlack said:

His body language was horrible this year, not a leader you want at the club.

That's total bollocks.

9 hours ago, beelzebub said:

All those excited about what a new regime might bring in 26... please ...over there >>

All those who are concerned about what Buckley's going to do ..... nahh... Dilligaff !!

😉

When we win the flag next year I'm gonna enjoy watching Buckley's post game analysis.

44 minutes ago, BDA said:

Paul Guerra should tell Mcclure to get in the bin

I don't want him anywhere near me.

4 minutes ago, Nietaphart said:

Apples and oranges Sue. Someone in the Demon Army to a family member of a board member.

You decide. You can always phone a friend Eddie.

Your source is a family member of a board member?

Bwaaaaaaaaa!

🤣

2 hours ago, doomsday dee said:

Why have a coffee with him and then lie to him,one on one

Oh please.

31 minutes ago, old dee said:

Is he a good player?

Don't know but what i do know is the best we can offer is JVR with an average of 1 per game. Our best and i am not sure we would classify him as a KPF is Melksham with an average of 1.7 per game. Sadly Melksham is at the end. God knows who we look to for the future.

My point really is that in footy these days whilst of course it's important to have good forwards the days of needing multiple gun key forwards are gone.

As evidence of that, on paper, it would be hard to argue against the proposition the Crows and Dogs have the best forward lines in terms of big key forwards. No surprise both are one and two for most points scored in the home and away seasons.

Neither team will win the flag this season.

By contrast the four remaining teams have decent forward lines but only the Cats and the Lions have what would be considered a traditional big key forward, and in both cases only one.

The hawks have Chol (and Gunston who is more medium) the Cats have Neale and Cameron (but Cameron is really a flanker), the Pies Mihochek and the Lions Morris.

As you note we have JVR who yes had an average year, though was in much better form in the last few games. Yes, he only averaged a goal a game this year, but he averaged 1.4 a game in his first two seasons (for a career average of 1,3) which is super impressive.

I think JVR, who turned 22 in April, is a gun and will fulfil his potential. And we have Kentfield waiting in the wings who I'm pretty bullish about.

Which is not to say we shouldn't consider trading in another key forward just that we shouldn't bother with trying to land a gun like say Mckay and commit too much of our salary cap for a key forward. I'd rather we target a player like Mihochek.

In addition, not being stacked with KPFs the remaining four teams have another thing in common - they ARE stacked with gun kicks with wheels who can play as an outside mid/forward and/or half back flanker. Thinks Mccluggae, Bailey, Daicos, Amon, Hardwick and Holmes.

We most definitely are not stacked with such players, which is one reason why keeping McVee is a priority and i expect them to focus on trying to land such players in the upcoming draft and trade periods.

51 minutes ago, old dee said:

Not forwards Binman! we have Zero KPF of any talent.

Of the four teams still in the hunt for a flag which has a forward line stacked full of gun key forwards?

3 minutes ago, Colm said:

If we paid $400k in the first couple of years then I’d assume we would pay less in the final 2 as I think his contract tapers off then.

Collingwood were able to win a flag while paying Grundy $300k and cap has increased since then.

Bringing in a top 10 draft pick as part of the deal gives us wriggle room. The difference in wages between Langford and Trac would be around $1m a year at the min.

I’d rather drop the money and get the draft capital.

Tracc's contract tapers down from the current annual salary of $1.7 million to $1.2 million and doesn't go below $1.2 million a season.

40 minutes ago, Colm said:

I think that’s a fair deal. If we want to get good picks/player coming our way in the Trac deal then we are going to have pay a chunk of his wages.

The cost to pay Flanders and a top ten draft pick would leave enough change out of what we are currently paying Trac to cover our end.

Trac gets a shot a final/flag and chance to build his brand somewhere else, Suns( or Crows get player in to help them win now and we get two players ( back JT to get a good one with a top 10 pick either in this draft or the next) that will hopefully be around for the next 10 years.

We have a great young crop but I would still like us to add more A grade young talent.

If we can get a best 22 player and a top 10 pick I’m happy to cover some of his wages.

Cover 400k of tracc's salary every season until 2029?

Play a bloke 1.2 million dollars to play for another team. I don't think so.

35 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

Lets just say GC offer up pick 6 and Sam Flanders. I've little doubt we'd be on the hook for upto $400K of his salary. I wouldn't expect Tracc would be taking a paycut. I'm actually ok with that as he clearly would prefer to move on or he and his manger could do would Clayton and his just did. To me he's a petulant man child who at his best can destroy a game of football but his bravery his been dented (totally understandably so) but his petulance remains. I'm now fully in the trade him out camp.

Do you really think we'd give up Tracc for pick six and flanders AND pay 400K of his salary (would have to be multiple years)?

The only possible world in which we would do so is we desperately wanted him gone because of Baliey Smith level behavioral issues - and no one is suggesting tracc is in that boat.

A key factor, and i think likely a deal breaker, in any potential tracc trade is his salary.

The article posted above says it's currently 1.7 million a year and going forward doesn't drop below 1.2 million a year.

Tracc is still star and had a good season as evidenced by his bluey result and CD player rating.

But even the biggest tracc fan would concede that his 2025 form was still miles from his very best form and there were few, if any, examples of his ability to turn a game on his head and win it off his own boot.

And I don't think it's unfair to say his injury is still a factor psychologically, which is totally understandable by the way.

À club paying a player 1.2 million a season want AA level output. Tracc wasn't close to that this season.

Sure, he might get back to that level but does a club want to take 1.2 million a year punt on a bloke pushing 30?

Perhaps a gold coast might for the star factor, but even if one of the current top 4 clubs wanted to take that punt one of the reasons those teams are successful is they already have stars on big contracts. How is say the crows going to fit 1.2 million in their salary cap when they are shelling out big coin for Rankin et al.

I guess walker might retire and that would free up some salary cap space, but young guns like Philthorpe are gonna want a big pay rise at some point.

All a long way of saying that realistically if tracc wants to go to a team with a genuine chance of winning a premiership next season he is very likely going to have to take a sizable haircut salary wise.

At this point in his career does he really want to do that?

8 hours ago, ChaserJ said:

6 hours ago, Demons64 said:

First post,long time Dee fanatic,suffice to say that I cried in 1954 and again in 1958,I’ve since forgiven the Doggies,but the rage I felt in 58 has never abated,I Still hate the Pies.The question I would like all those advocating we trade either Trac or Clarry to answer is in what world does losing either or both makes us

better side,salary cap,relief maybe,but who do spend it on?nobody wants to come,draft picks in a poor and compromised draft,I’m sorry I fail to see the logic.

Agree on clarry but not tracc - and that's not a knock on tracc.

If we put clarry on the trade table we have no chance of getting anything in return that is a net positive even on this seasons form (which was serviceable) and certainly not on what we might expect next season (he was getting over to his best in the last third of the season and not coincidentally looking in better nick).

But we could get a good return for tracc, whether that's draft picks a player or a combination of the two.

As good as tracc is, with clarry, viney and Langford (who will eventually surely go into the middle) we have too many midfield bulls.

And we have too few outside mids/half back flankers/utilities that are elite kicks and good wheels.

That is our single biggest need.

Id support trading tracc if it helped us fill that need.

44 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

This is from a click bait site but …

New Demons coach discusses list plans, expectations for 2026

Article says "King takes the helm at Casey".

I'm guessing that might come as a surprise to King

44 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

Fogarty straight swap

To quote John McEnroe, you cant be serious.

Fogarty is way too one dimensional and just not that good.

Maybe straight swap for Philthorpe, but even then our real need is gun kicks with wheels not forwards

18 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

if buckley does get the taswegian job, he'll have had 7 years between afl coaching gigs

quite the gap

That's an excellent point.

Seven years of zero time at an AFL club in any role is a very long time to be out of the game even if involved in footy media.

Good.

He never got the scrutiny he deserved for how poor our defensive system was this season.

3 minutes ago, Ghostwriter said:

I know, I know. My leaving game’s been good of late. There’s always gonna be that one ball I can’t resist.

Yes, it 100% has - kudos.

And yep, all batters have shot they can't put away (mine was the hoik across the line to cow corner) and every decent bowler knows how to put a ball in exactly the right spot to make the batter play at it.

2 hours ago, Ghostwriter said:

Yet it’s ok to relentlessly and unfairly goad me on the subject of Judd and his contract?

On 13/09/2025 at 08:19, At the break of Gawn said:

Skipworth was never going to get it. He pulled out just to save face. This is a guy who lost to McQualter for the Eagles job. Bullet dodged imo.

King on the other hand, probably would have won the Eagles job had it not been for his health scare on the day of his interview.

I liked the idea of Bucks because I thought his profile would help the club, but, I and many others on here, had lingering doubts about his ability to actually coach. Just ask any Collingwood supporter and they get confused as to why everyone was keen on Bucks.

The club has run a proper process and King was the best candidate. Let's get behind him.

I'm looking forward to the first King's speech to the playing group which hopefully they share on social media.

Hopefully he's sorted his stutter.