frankie_d

The only question for us is do we trust the Club. I trust PJ - 100% Goodwin - not sure yet I don't know what PJ thinks of how this is playing out. I wonder if the club will say anything else? "Last drinks" - wow. I remember the QB match where he played game #1. Went up in a pack at the city end, and didn't put his hands up for the ball - used them to protect him. Since that moment, I've been torn... can we afford to have someone who won't contest hard every time (nb - not saying everyone has to be Viney), but can play a bit:

Serious question: some have said that there is more to this. Do you think that's the case? What is the "more"?

I'm not a Watts fan, but this is the dilemma - the best person in the club to have the ball in hand. The worst senior player to kick it to in a 1:1 I feel really bad for Jack if he's being tossed out. But that's why we have a FD - to make unemotional decisions in the best interests of the Club. Hope they get this right.

Because he's not very good 1 on 1. When he's out on his own (like QB, and he worked <really> hard to get space), he's our best player, but he's not reliable 1 on 1. Of course, there are exception (taking on 2 and kicking to Tyson in the forward pocket), but many more times, he's beaten by smaller, less talented players with more appetite for the physical contest.

I'm a bit worried about the same thing - Viney is nowhere near out of the woods with his foot injury. We know how bad they can be (ask Trengove) - and I know that there are many different types of injuries. Not sure if we have a higher rate than other teams.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/frustrated-demons-confronted-jack-watts-over-inconsistency-20170919-gyk6fl.html

Could help noticing how upset Trac was when walking off the ground.

This is the most important issues facing the club. It's all about leadership. Saw Trac going to everyone - him, Viney, Oliver, Brayshaw - a few others - they are the future

I agree completely. Viney plays the last 2 weeks - we play finals. Our kids are fine - Trac, Gus, Oliver, ANB, Hannan, Hunt. Even Wagner, Strech. They're just talented kids. Our leaders (excluding Viney) are poor . Jones - love him, but cant seem to inspire. Vince - nuff said. Lewis - useful organiser, but not a leader. Tmac - should be, isn't. Pelo - doing his best. Hibberd - great, but not a leader at the moment. Nev - wonderful, but not a leader. That's the issue, and the answer is Viney. Get fit, kid!

100% agree - opposition are putting a hard tag on him (second season, 20 years old!), and I only saw Trac giving him a chop out. Jones / Tyson / Hannan need to sacrifice their game and look after this bloke a bit.

I think the QB match ended up with Watts in front of the Coll. cheer squad - he gave them a bit, I seem to remember

I have stayed away from the keyboard after getting home - concentrating on the red... I remember Watts lamenting "where are our leaders" in an after game presser some time ago, and I got to thinking: "who has the talent + will to get us over the line Viney - all the will, and enough talent Trac - all the talent, and getting the will Hogan - see Trac Oliver - see Hogan Gus - not yet Jones - nope Watts - never Hunt - talent + cares, but limited opportunity ANB - cares, works hard, but never going to get us over the line TMac - both, once OMac - please... I'm trying to be serious HIbberd - yep, with others up the field Max - once upon a time Lewis - in years gone by And I compare this list (incomplete) to the good teams - and it's no wonder we don't win. Only rarely can I remember someone from this team getting us over the line - Viney, Tmac once, Max once or twice. We're not good enough, and the leadership today was beyond bad.

Tried his heart out. He cares. That gives him a few credits for me

Hibberd was ok. Trac was good. Jones was disappointing

And why isn't tmac at CHF

Frost > omac and maybe tmac

The kids aren't to blame. It's the "leaders "

Not the umps. We're doing this to ourselves

It was easier when we were [censored]. Looking for improvement. Trying to find a highlight. But this is serious, Mum. I feel sick

Footy does bind us together. Generation to generation. Go Dees

The great man ... RIP And the Pies: "Will I ever see your face again? No way, get fcked , [censored] off"

Great day at the G. Today is about leadership. With Viney out, I hope we've got enough of it.

Foot injury - ugh Not a good track record, those injuries. Could be one of many - hope it's not a bone

Might have missed it. What's the Viney diagnosis?

There have been Pedo > Watts threads for a while.... usually met with scorn. But it's true. Go Dees