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The first thing we need in that mature conversation is an acknowledgment that just like Christianity, Islam has its' nutty sects like Wahhabism and Salafism, and that it is not prima facie, Islam, that is the problem, just extremists of any group, or disenfranchised young men with nothing to do or looking for a redemption narrative. Nothing that has been perpetuated by Dersh or Boko Haram is new, everything has a precedent in Christianity, including the rapes and other disgusting acts. But just like with all the other major religions, this vile threat comes from particular sects and not the religion itself practised by 90%+ of adherents. Culture can die, nothing sacred about culture, it used to be Australian culture that you could beat your wife with a rod, now you go to jail for that 5hit, I am very happy about that. I am quite happy for a large number of cultural practises to die, and the hypocrisy of the USA supporting the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, when and while it is exporting these vile cultures through madrassas is profound. So lets whack the true culprits - the exponents of mysogynistic cultures, and stop stereotyping a'la Biffen, a whole religion. I take extreme offence at the way a huge number of friends and acquaintances are characterized when the word Islam is used. As a 20+ year security professional I see all these terror/islam issues as related to local policing issues, a failure to engage with youth, it is not as sexy as new guns and legislation and task forces (which all deal with symptoms) for politicians, but the old 'Police Boys Club' type of engagement is the single best anti-terror weapon. In the UK which has seen a rise in these attacks - guess what type of facilities have been closed over the last 5-10 years. Same with Paris, the cops gave up on certain areas. But it is not only tough love and the occasional thick ear that is required. Cops who can't walk the beat and talk to kids, and get out from behind their mirrored sunglasses are failing at their job, they have to be part of a solution that engages with every subset of society, even the really repugnant ones (like the Biffen chinless mouth breathers hyperventilating over fake news). This is not all on the cops, but certainly part of it.

Was trying to talk my (French) partner in moving to Melbourne for the birth of our daughter (who is due during the finals, can't friggin believe it, F(*@%&(^&($%@&^($^%&$^#(%K) so that Daisy could be the midwife, knowing my luck she will be born when we are in the grand final and I will miss it, am deeply scared of this. The alternate is to have a early c section (neither option appear to be gaining much traction with her).

Please don't give them ideas.

@Skuit Am with you on the contested high scoring stuff, what staggers me, and my question to you, are the fantasy ratings, either version. What stats aren't being weighted properly for impact on a game, in your humble opinion? With the modern style of footy I am going to say kicks and handballs don't mean much anymore. 5 disposals that defeat the defensive set up of an opposition are worth 20+ disposals to a contest. And our presence in AFL fantasy - 7 players in the top 100, 3 (including smith, easy to get stats in sides winning by 15+goals) in the top 50 and Hogan at 52??? beggars belief, I can't be bothered with fantasy teams anymore because I think the metrics are BS, but I like the idea of selecting a side that would have the most impact and the whole money ball thing. Bailey F for instance has impact (IMHO) with his efforts for almost no visible presence statistically. If you could break down the players that are contributing to the below, I think that would be a fair reflection for fantasy teams. Also I think the fantasy stuff glorifies individuals, when our team is crushing others by doing the team things, so maybe am being unrealistic to ask for the stats to reflect team acts/roles - i.e. BV did a number on Lynch. Lastly this is Goodwin's coaching genius 1st Goal Assists - this is the best demonstration of a team attitude and the hardest thing for an opposition to guard against. I predict looking at the fixture another 5 (minimum) 10 goal wins this year. (might have to look up the stat for most 10 goal wins in a season - we could get there....

I think if we have a better than 10 goal win we should allow for some extra votes because it is for sure a team winning in style. BTW 7 points Goodwin. that said: Hogan-it was 28 degrees people, and he ran like an Ethiopian and kicked straight and a few score assists. Angus-how damaging is a player that can use both feet. Hibberd-(Lever as am alternate) early on this pair ruined every crow attack Clarry-(Gawn could just as easily sit here) Contest King Viney-the crows were scared of him. Jones-taken for granted, he is still a beast. finally... Jetta ANB Melksham are ripped off. Think i am going to google some SA newspapers and maybe the SA forum.

Hey did anyone else notice how happy Pedders was for the team? greeting and cheering every player coming off, no sulking at all just genuine joy for the team, awesome bloke and great team first attitude - something that has the lid off and in orbit for me, this team first stuff will really make us a threat, Geelong comparisons starting to feel right. (sadly hunt seemed flat by comparison)

Likely media comments: * flat track bullies * adelaide had a hard game the previous week And the one I would have to agree with...cheeky smile.... they haven't played any real sides yet

Loved her interview with Jetta at the end, she is ace, equal best with Nick and Paul, love how she is far more interested in the footballer and the footballer that all the BT type spankers who keep making it about them. ... guess my forum handle kind of demonstrates bias...

can we just agree 6pts each for everyone in POTY

totally agree, even Gawn, his best game was when he got a bit of attention. We are the bear, no one smart pokes the bear. Why i wasn't yoo worried about the camp fiasco, we are the contested ball side. Definitely Goodwin's fingerprints

ruin my week why don't you....that post game buzz is gone....

Hardest game coming up is Collingwood, 1CW will have their eye on this and i think we'll arrive having won 6 on the trot. Spargo for Jeff i reckon he's had enough of Casey and will provide some defensive pressure in what could be his last chance for another 4 weeks. TMAC and a foot?..........faaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrkmedead

Invest in teaching him the ball drop, from his height it will have ice on it by the time the ball reaches his boot. He will be a baby giraffe for a while, I hope some of the negative Nellies can be calm while he develops. Rucks will br at a premium for clubs, because of what Gawn is doing for ruck work, It is like what Warne did for leg spin. So I am very happy with this recruit.

How to get him to Hawthorn?

Re the players leaving, Malthouse was so bad for Carlton, I still think Eddie was paying a retainer, you could make an argument that Malthouse has been worse for Carlton than Neeld was for us.

The new Riewoldt is what Roos said, that is high praise. About, Speed and Jesse, there is a NFL player who hits 34.5kmh/h and is a 109kg so Jesse's speed seems pretty feasible, and not a mistake with the GPS, (it is all about how it is built), they can be made accurate to under 30cm from what i understand in a civilian context. They use chips as well (an accelerometer and magnetometer), and not just a GPS, which are way more accurate for judging the speed and direction. So it wouldn't/doesn't matter if he was doing circles, although I do prefer a straight up lead... Between him and Tom, I want teams crushed. (Loved the way Robbo asked Lewis if we had been told to kill teams.)

Anyone know who laid the elbow into his neck that he talks about happening in Canberra? Hard not to feel sad for this bloke? And I hope his medical bills are well covered.

Good call re credit to Goodwin, I'll put my hand up and say i thought he was playing favorites, so he definitely gets the kudos for how Jake is going now. Well done coach!

Luck, and i am a basket case because of it, only thing i get superstious about...

I thought the same, but my brother (who is a much better footy player) said Hannan is in for defensive pressure. For me it's his disposal but not his effort, much like Tyson, Hunt, ANB (who had a day out).

Many thanks, yes it was awesome. Not even myki or food prices could kill the buzz. Loved the pregame, they were up from the warm up (staggered me they played a mini game warm up) bouncing around 5 times the energy of Carlton. Best bit without doubt though was standing next to the interchange in the last qtr, watching the players swapping in sets of 3, looking like hockey players going out to smash someone, they looked fierce amd lethal. Loved that our full strength side looks so dangerous.

6,TMac 5,Lever 4,Milkshake 3,Brayshaw 2,Lewis 1,Gawn

Yes the free was there, not arguing that, but jeez that was a brave dip by the Carlton fella, my comment was in the spirit of 'the castle' it is the vibe of the thing... if it had been close i'd be whistling a different tune.

1st Win I have seen live since 2006 (I am officially not a jinx and can contemplate a return trip to Australia just before the racing carnival. Am trying to remember the last 100 point win. Tom McDonald, several goal assists to go with 4, BOG for mine. that running back with the flight of the ball and putting his right hand out to juggle and gather the ball was the prettiest piece of footy all day. Saw Melksham at Jerry's milkbar this morning in Elwood, with his wife and kid, so left him alone, have always thought they made a good breakfast, worked for him. Oliver need a TV to see his work, I understand why the umps have no clue whether he throws, impossible to see sometimes he is so quick, his hands are up there with Muhammad Ali for speed. Lever close to BOG, best game I think I've seen him play, getting better every week. Smith got better and better. Lewis is putting together his best set of games for Melbourne at the moment (sad to say, but I think he's playing like he might finish this year, he is really putting it all out there) Vince needs a spell, couple of times when I thought he could chase and didn't, and he is under the microscope every time by the umps. Hannan - I guess his defensive pressure is what justifies his place, he's not in for disposal efficiency. Gawn, did some great things. We had the crowd I thought, for a Carlton home game, was seeing far more red. Loved the team game, they are always looking for the goal assist. We were lucky with umps, got the rub of the green. I would have felt stiff as a blues fan, especially the free for holding the man when the Carlton player ran back with the flight of the ball (mark of the year that wasnt) super brave. Speaking of which , the umps seem to make it quite tough to call a mark a mark.

So the best in my time - period late 70's to Now, (some of the older stuff definitely bears my fathers' influence from when I was a little tacker) I have linked all the names, MFC has always had the best rucks, Sean O'Dwyer unlucky to miss, and was very torn by Jurrah but he didn't do enough for long enough. Gerard H i couldn't really remember playing, and I tried to pick players who had done it at their besy while at MFC. I have to say FB was the hardest, Jamie Shanahan was a contender, and was tempted to move Wight or Neitz to FB to make room for some of the excellent back pockets we have had. Vince got in for his first season. It gives me hope that I could see another 6 of our current players making it onto my 'best in my time team'.