DEE fence

7 hours ago, The Chazz said:

I really struggle with any player using the homesick card to get out of a club.  If the day comes where a senior coach is lured by the "go home" factor, then the AFL world might as well shut up shop.

I don't think it is the same thing, to be a successful at the same club as both player, captain and coach is a pretty rare feat. My comment was also based around the fact that Adelaide seems quite wobbly, and he would /should still have love for his old club, and the dollars offered might go up as well. This is not some 20y.o. that missus Mummy we are talking about.

I feel really good about this, I have been a bit scared about Adelaide knocking on his door. He (+St Roos) has made the Demons brand of footy legit.

21 minutes ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Don't get me wrong, as I do not mean what I'm about to state in a derogatory way at all, but just looking a the photos of JT today, he is starting to look pretty old (no doubts working in that kind of position for the MFC would do that to you).  I'm wondering if we are managing a sucession plan for the recruiting team or 'list managing the list managers' so to speak.

Really do hope that JT is mentoring a good apprentice loyal to the MFC as it would be more than handy to have someone of his ilk recruiting the next several generations of mighty Demons for the decades to come, not only the next period.

It is not like he needs to play kick to kick with the prospects...

I doubt he is even 50 years old. Got the job for another 20 years as far as Im concerned.

4 hours ago, Ron Burgundy said:

I trust Taylor absolutely on this. Seems like a likely lad.

That said, I'm interested to know why Collingwood has seemingly overlooked him (2 successive VFL B&Fs) given that their defensive stocks are not as good as ours.

 

Exactly, am confused too, it's not like this guy has been hiding under a rock. Maybe suspect disposal under pressure? @ProDee what say you? Anyway in JT and JV I trust. 

16 hours ago, Smokey said:

Its a nice stat to have - but as more and more teams are added to the competition in recent history, the less relevant it becomes. There was only 12 teams in the comp at our last flag - there's 18 now. 

Agree to diiffer - the competition with Collingwood/Essendon/Carlton/Hawthorn will never become irrelevant. Teams come and go from UEFA Champions League doesn't male Real Madrids tally less significant.

Stuff how long since a flag, I want the most flags, 17+ I would like to see 5 or 6 in the next 20 years. Preferably in the next 15. This is the ultimate bragging stat.

1 hour ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Gold Coast will get worse before they get better. 

I know I have paid out on Dew but he did have Roos's endorsement, has to be worth something. But you are probably right.

On 11/3/2018 at 12:47 AM, Diamond_Jim said:

If your prediction of 6 wins for the bottom team is right the top ten or so will be incredibly tight.

i cant see much difference between 6th and 14rh, little factors to have a big impact. 

Re GCS, easy to think they will be totally awful but they will get better.

I really think Jesse will add a minimum of 4 wins for Freo who will be 10th. I had us 17/5 for year and minor premiers. I also think port has to come good. 

Syd and Ade miss and StK and Bri both improve.

Hawks and Geelong have a soft draw just scraping into 8-9

WCE Ric Col all in top 4-6

Ess could sneak in damn it i had to deliberately pick against them.

Dogs don't have enough cattle.

North irrelevant

I like our tough draw, injuries are a caveat on all predictions.

Also i think the 18th team should have at least 6 wins. Carlton fwiw

Are we a chance with this one Jesse trade thread to match all the Jack Watts threads in total, time for some research...

2 hours ago, dworship said:

Hopefully someone will sit Jesse down without his Manager and explain the first rules of negotiation.

1. What are the needs of the other side?

2. Always look for the "Blue" Do I need to explain what the "Red" is!  Take a bow Dorks!

3. Do your due diligence eg pressure points, hopes vs wants.

4. Only seriously low ball and potentially insult the the other party when having addressed the above 3 and being in a position of power and even then do it with grace and honesty.

5. Never give your hand away by making things public until you are sure of the outcome.

6. It's ok to withhold, it's not ok to mislead. (Caveat: Unless you absolutely know you won't get caught out)

7. The best and easiest negotiations are Win/Win

I could go on but by now you might see that there is one side that has known what they are doing and if JH doesn't recognise that then I will be happy to see him cut lose next year. As a friend often says "You can't put brains in monuments".

Disclaimer: Yes, I have significant training and experience in this area and I have had negotiations break down and people walk away.     Never have I had a feeling that the people walking away didn't think I was not to be trusted or that our time had been wasted.

 

You could come and work with me in the UN.

1 hour ago, Dr. Mubutu said:

@Supermercado would be over the moon. I wouldn't hate it either.

the Stef Martin bit?

Am not against this, but why when clubs are all over themselves about ruckmen, is North letting him go, North has more cash to spare and Goldstein is up to his last season or two, haven't seen a answer to this anywhere but somethings sounds NQR, did he fall out with the coach or what? If it's fitness, why is North not backing themselves to fix his tank.

@La Dee-vina Comedia makes a good point but it seems a big gamble to be recruiting based on rule change speculation.

Anyway there is still a piece of the puzzle missing for me, and when something looks too good to be true...

But as always, the FD recruiting, led by Taylor and Viney have proved they are worth the trust, I'm just curious about the back story I guess.

Just quietly I wouldn't mind Stefan Martin coming back either.

Where are the height/weight data from? 90kg seems a tad heavy for him, wouldn't have him at more than 86? Fwiw ie not much.

I agree with the positives noted by others, but wanted to add that he is a smiling assassin in the Bernie mould. He really likes to make a tackle hurt and has some serious but very well controlled aggression. I really think it would be a huge mistake to trade him.

6 hours ago, Fifty-5 said:

It only works for so long though.

this is what i thought, must be close

So if a club has to pay to the cap, what does North do with all the cash? Secret Santa with the current list? They have been putting aside dollars for years now, how do they spend it?

He actually showed more at the end of this year than seen previously, the fact that he got games from a coach that does not seem to play favourites suggests the penny has dropped and he is doing what he is asked (although I don't think anyone has accused him of an attitude). I do see him as depth though and not best 22.

Watched the Geelong Elimination Final win again last night, he was huge. Lays a very good tackle consistently as well.

He's worth 34, not including double/triple letter values, and the bonus for all the tiles. I really think anyone we recruit I can trust the FD to make sure the 'not soft' function is installed. Certainly of the Suns that have left they all seem to go ok. K.hunt, what a bone-headed move that was, 3 million for a party drug culture. Funnily enough I'm more worried about May working out than KK if we got both.   

1 minute ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

"I'm trying not to show how drunk I am right now..."

You mean when our mids kick blind high bombs on his head and force him to compete with three opponents from a standing start rather than opening their eyes and trying to find a free target or give him something to lead to? 

Was anyone else frustrated watching Collingwood kick to Mason Cox during the prelim? I was frustrated the whole time, 'why don't they kick it like that to Hogan' with a few expletives thrown in. 

The web stream keeps freezing - anyone else having dramas?

@Whispering_Jack you bombing proceedings with the Demonland player of the year???

3 hours ago, big_red_fire_engine said:

The only thing that Hunt and Gaff have in common is they play in the AFL.

OK, obviously didn't explain myself enough for the @Ethan Tremblay & co, never said he was Gaff. just that he could do some of the things that we would like him to do.  Gaff> Hunt by the length of Flemington, but what we are looking for is outside run and I think Hunt has shown enough potential to fulfill that role obviously he does not have Gaff's skill set or he would command Gaff's salary and not be stuck in the VFL. Everyone is keen to go early and definitively write off every player, I think people are going way to early on Hunt, the kid is a late bloomer, that is obvious from reading about how much he grew after school (~18yo). I for one am happy to see how preseason goes, that run is just too exciting to ignore if he can marry it up to a nice flat 25-30m kick

Bump

To me if Hunt can have a big preseason he could do alot of what Gaff offers at a much cheaper price. He has plenty of improvement. The thing I like apart from his run is that he is not afraid to go for the big tackle, even to his own detriment. I remember when he knocked himself out, he was crazy brave, I really like crazy brave. I trust the FD to fix the issues with the disposal, he is smart enough