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7 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

After watching the NAB championship series again DD i've cooled a little on his worth in comparison to say a Henry or Weightman.  It's not what he does when he gets it.  Just the work rate (commitment?) to get to contests or present that worries me vs say a Henry or Taylor option.  If we had a pick 20 to 35 he is more tempting.

Henry is obviously Freo bound but ideal for us at 3 if he wasn't.  Seems to be the No.1 silk of this draft along with Taylor (a tad more raw imv but does show a few sublime tricks at times also).

I'm not convinced any small 'opportune' forward (Weightman/Pickett) or a ruckman are worth a top ten pick (Jackson) but then who else are we needing at 8?  Kemp would be very handy but he's out for a year.  Plenty of other reasonable options of course but many are inside mids.

One who really impressed me in the NAB series was Schoenberg as a balanced mid option.  Edwards as well but think he plays a bit more off HB and already flagged under father son i think.

So do we just stick with Young at 3?  His kicking is certainly top of this year's class but what else does he truly offer us?  Is that skill, along with some reasonable intercept marking/tackling and distribution, enough?  Personally i really think he would need to play as a balanced mid to get full value from him at 3 (hoping that he of course grows slowly / strongly into that role).

Then there's Ash who had a stellar NAB series alongside Jackson & Henry.  Ash was equally impressive as Young across the series in terms of damage + consistency off HB.  Gould not far off those HBs...also very impressive in straight lines and accurate kicking/finish and impressive intercept marking (reading the flight).

Stephens at 8?  Looks good but also big moments of lappsing out of games or not really impacting imv.  Or do we go for Kemp? After re-watching the final of that NAB series Kemp was certainly super impressive in helping Vic C get back into that match and won another on that final kick.  But that was mostly as a medium forward.  Barely saw him played through the middle.

The other player that had an amazing final quarter out of the middle in the final was Isaac Wareham.  He was the one on the end of the much talked about 45 kick from Young that helped put Vic C in front just before the last winning kick from WA a minute later.  Just before that he was also the one getting the inside 50 to Kemp for a shot he missed to put us in front on a tight angle.  I'm not saying you pick him based on that but he was certainly impressive in that short burst (eg; line breaking run, taking the game on & standing up under heat!).

All very confusing really.  I guess we just leave it to the experts and pray to lucifer!

Top commentary. ^^^

Pickett... I just can't get over his uncle, was such a weapon and a premiership player. What i like about this kid is he is fierce, and he has a left and right foot. If he plays like Cyril i can live with 18 touches a game. I feel like he is a player that brings others into the game and seems to have a team sense. The vision i have seen is he may not kick the goal, but he has the vision to deliver to someone in a better space to have a ping.

That said I want users of the footy and marking power. I felt like our 2018 side had plenty of goal kickers that just need better delivery. I meed to see more footage and appreciate the posts of others who are not rock throwing and invested the time to see the prospects.

Watching our dismal efforts at contested marking in 2019 was soul destroying as were the up and under kicking. 

2 hours ago, don't make me angry said:

Most are missing the point maybe he was over rated and not that good of a footballer, but gee image of we had Travis as a father and son

I truly feel for Travis, his goal kicking yips were a nightmare, could you imagine Demonland fuming about it. At his peak he looked like Kouta and and Darren Bennet rolled into one unit. I hope he has found some happiness. I always wanted him to have some success at the end of his career. Not against us of course.

Should be a poll...

TMAC for Captain - I think his season was cooked with his foot, but nowhere have i seen that he does not care or try, he is just Greg Chappell in his run of six ducks. He is as articulate as Lever or Gawn, generally much less injured and until this season has been very reliable for getting on the park. Doesn't sook, is plenty tough. Also he prospered under every coach, even Neeld, he has a Gen X brain/heart, in a Gen Y/Millennials body.

Gawn is awesome, but I worry the Captain thing would be a poison chalice for him some reason, I live in permanent fear that his knee will blow up if he is made Captain (i do already to be honest, it is just the neuroses would be worse). That he is a Leader is without doubt.

I love Viney deeply, but never thought he is a leader, to me he will still be a kid even when he is 30. This guy is the foot (no pun intended) soldier everyone likes, that dies in the final reel of the movie (Archy/Mark Lee)

Melksham i respect but i think he can go missing.

I wouldn't mind Nev as leader either probably equal 2nd maybe 3rd choice. Would be left field for some and i am a little bit worried about his injuries this year I think his hard as nails style has caught up with him. But he is a Boss.

Lever has the brain for it, but he is a bit too much of an Arabian horse (likely to break down).

Jones plays another year off the bench doing midfield/forward things. 

So my list:

1, TMAC

2, GAWN

2/3, LORD NEV

4, LEVER

Gone:

St Kilda, Carlton, North Melbourne, Fremantle...

So the nearly Klopp of Australian football is gone, when have we had 4 coaches go in a year? And I think it could be more, I cannot remember so much bloodletting in a season and I don't think any of the former senior AFL coaches are exactly banging down the door for another go. Fox footy is going to have a crowded couch next year. Anyway my question, what is the most number of AFL/VFL coaches to go in a year?

In trouble:

Adelaide, Port Adelaide, GWS

These three teams are appalling in terms of having the list and not performing, I think the only thing that will save Pyke is the fact that there are not to many obvious candidates to take over as Mayor of Snowtown. Hinkley should be sacked as well but for some reason (probably because he comes across as likeable _ excellent football reason...not) won't go, but damn he would have to be close, they have had a lot of senior players drop their heads this year without injury being an obvious factor like other years. Cameron has not managed to put any steel into these pretty boys, they should be vikings by now not Harlem Globetrotters.  

Watching:

Essendon, Melbourne 

Worsfold was bloody lucky he was playing Freo, if he had played Hawthorn it would have been him sacked.

Goodwin gets another year without doubt, and obviously there is another thread, but he better do a Hardwick. 

6 hours ago, Demonland said:

This is just mean... BBO has nothing on your sadomasochistic instincts 

Hilarious how sensitive the journalists are when they cop a whack, and how far they go to back each other up. Caro backing up broken promise. No question on why Jesse has a go, which is pretty bloody unusual. If ever there was a bunch that can dish it out and not take it, it's the non footy playing journalists.

Jesse is on the money here. broken promise makes Caro look like Martin Flanagan for warmth and affection. Absolute dog who enjoys others misfortune.

31 minutes ago, Males said:

In regards to the free kick, I believe the original free to Lockhart would’ve been from the top of the goal square, because Freo were kicking out. The reversal against Jones though should’ve just been a free kick to the filthy diver where he flopped.

I wasn’t aware of the rule, but the commentators did mention that if a team is kicking out from a behind and get a free, it’s 50mtrs. I believe this is where the issue may have come from, the Commentators mentioned that it was the umpire near the goals that gave the 50, not the umpire who reversed the free. I reckon the umpire near the goals has just heard the free kick to Walters, therefore paying the 50 when the other umpire didn’t, possibly thinking the other umpire missed it? The umpire who reversed the free kick probably assumed the other umpire gave the 50 for another reason, just an honest miscommunication that cost us a goal.

 

I think you got it, FWIW I actually don't have a problem with Jones, yes the ump got sucked in by the flop, but you can't have it both ways, fly the flag or be accused of bruise free football. Jones was careful he was never going to maim anyone with that shoulder shot. I'd rather be known as a hard team, which I think is what Ross Lyon credited us as.

He has so much power in his hips and CoG is nice and low despite his height and bulk, yes agree with the OP. His balance reminds me of Gavin Wanganeen, although he is not at that level yet obviously. He really can make a hole in a pack legally. Not sure who is better through the hips though between him and Viney though, am struck dumb by how planted Viney is and his ability to hold his space despite being an oompaloomper. Have watched Walter's flop about 1000 times now, but Trac's burst out of some packs was definitely part of us winning last week.

I also think I saw the guy doing the score review run from the ground and is still driving as we speak, next stop BKK.

Giants threw it away, umps were awful, but seriously I reckon the Giants were thinking about future pay days. Anyway Davis is a gun, don't mind him at all. Still hate Toby Greene.

What is the record for most ripped jumpers? it seems to be a feature of J.Viney. Wouldn't be surprised if he retires with the record.

The thing that gets me is he plays off scratch at golf, this says some serious things to me about his skills. Basically brilliant eye hand coordination, and outstanding self control and definitely the right attitude and aptitude for hard work. I am happy for him to fill out, I reckon he will be huge like Stef Martin when he has hit his straps. For the knockers, don't let the fact that he doesn't wear his heart on his sleeve mean that he doesn't care or isn't trying, you've got him wrong, he is a different sort of cat.

5 hours ago, Fork 'em said:

Goodes has never experienced being invaded.
Never had his land in Sydney declared terra nullus.
And never been shot at.
Maybe some of his ancestors 200+yrs ago.
Talk about holding a grudge.
  

Flat out wrong, indigenous Australians weren't even allowed to vote or be recognized as citizens until the 70's. Sounds a lot like Tibet or Sudan to me, his parents would have been able describe the invasion pretty well. Also massacres of indigenous communities were occurring in the 20th Century, this is not 200 years ago.

Yet for all of this terrible history, we as a country are going in the right direction, let's not bugger it up by being dishonest about the historical record. Own it, and let's get on making it a place where everyone gets a fair go.

43 minutes ago, special robert said:

Tex Walker?  

What has happened to Tex, really strikes me as someone who could do with a change of scenery but after his comments about changing clubs he'd never go. I also like Lever more than I like Tex.

20 hours ago, Demonland said:

 

Dad and Mum look so proud, and why wouldn't you be, three healthy big kids, riches beyond measure 

On the mark will be calling... but seriously was moved to tears like many. I liked that his second touch in the game was a costly booboo but he didn't stop trying. 

4 minutes ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

Harmes named on HBF for Casey ... ?

Fritsch and Stretch also named

He is named in both, I really hope he plays, up there for best clubman along with Gawn at the moment for mine. To me he has the right attitude to get into Greene.

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1 hour ago, Demon Disciple said:

He'll probably kick 6+ now that i bring it up, but i think Frosty is a good option to put on Cameron. He's just as athletic and quick and he has the rangy arms to match.

I'm more concerned with what the likes of Green will do to our defence.

I would like Harmes to run with Greene

Am dying, reading this on way to airport, want this win so bad, losing my mind with all of you 

3 hours ago, loges said:

Yes I was thinking this when everyone was saying long term injury. Plate it asap, back in a couple of weeks.

Been there, so effin painful, don't know how they can do that and run a straight line with all the pain killers...

So which of you good things paid the umpire... Hunt was gone for all money for HTB, the GC  fan club (Bruce by himself) was outraged.

15 hours ago, Nelo said:

Stupid thread. Shouldn’t have even got a fine. You wouldn’t find a fairer player in 20 years of AFL. 

This ^, fairest player, whether you like him or not he gets credit for no dog acts, never done a Hodge, Mitchell, Greene type thing and copped plenty. Credit where it's due.

Don't get ANB being dropped after a good game, and his work off the ball is huge, that running power is a weapon even if the skills are occasionally unreliable. 

Damn it, not listed, even as an emergency, was hopeful. His must be a development role, setting standards.