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You cannot please everyone Redleg. We will just have to agree to disagree on this one!

I no longer care about the method.I do not want to be liked I just want wins and many of them the method I could not care about. As I have said elsewhere I look forward to be universally hated by all and sundry For being winners at all costs.

No!I am a Victorian dyed in the wool And as you have no doubt guessed I like the Hawks

You have my vote

You don't want to be as successful as the Hawks for the next thirty years?

I am rapidly losing interest in the football. Uni Blacks went down yesterday in the Prelim, but it has been a good year after winning the Second division last year to make a prelim in the first year back in the top division is a good result. My country team is out. My major interest is now Norwood in SA and the Falcons in WA. The up side is the NBL starts in a couple of weeks time.

Very serious RtG The hawks represent every thing the MFC has not been for 40 years. Love em or hate em that is what I want to Dees to be. Win first in the middle and last but win. Every thing else is the MFC

Unfortunately I think the Swans are going to get pumped. They will have to front up next weekend battered and bruised. Freo Easy IMO. Hawks will be too good for Geelong, Chapman suspended and there goes four goals. Hawks vs Freo GF Go Hawks

Go hawks!!!!

Your prayers were answered Redleg!

Essendrug are suing Carlton's Swan for saying they che-ted. On that basis the MFC should sue anyone and everyone who says we tanked! Talk about bringing the game into disrepute.

Would be a hell of a bonus!

His father was a very good player but a hot head who got sucked in and suspended at critical times of the season. Looks like it runs in the family. No thanks career almost over and I doubt he is worth a second round pick let alone a first. IMO the only way he will leave the Pies is perhaps a player swap.

Yep

Redleg you have a little bit of paranoia showing on this subject!

Bail is contracted the only way he will go is - We could trade him but who the hell would want him? - we pay him out for 2014, doubt that will happen He will be around in 2014 IMO

God deliver me from your prediction.It is too horrible to contemplate.

Spot on Saty There is a reason we were not even competitive in 90% of the games this year. We have a crap list

To all those quoting the Port turn around. Guys they had a way better list than us. WE do not have half the list they have. Stop using Port as your reason for rapid improvement. Our current list stinks and it will take a few years to change that.

Me too Redleg because I fear there will not be another incarnation. This may well be the last chance

We should be so lucky I would pay them to take him

Can you trade rookies?

I have similar thoughts Robbie I thought he had a good second half in 2012. But this year he seemed to fall in a big hole.

Me too Bbo but Sellar was out of contract and Pedersen has two more years. I cry every time I think of that deal.

One thing will keep Hogan at the MFC Winning games. Win ten in 2015 and he will re sign. IMO it is that simple.