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Most of our woes in a nutshell IMHO.

And just to add ... no accident that the one area of our game where we're consistently doing well is in the backline - where we have both experience and in May and Lever, leadership.

Great post Binman. You see similar evidence when looking at changing coaches mid-season. After all, if it's all down to the coach, or even mostly down to the coach, changing the head coach of a losing team mid-season should see things pick up. Not so it seems. This from a study of sacking coaches mid-season in the Spanish soccer league: "The empirical analysis shows that the shock effect of a turnover has a positive impact on team performance in the short term. Results reveal no impact of coach turnover in the long term. The favourable short-term impact on team performance of a coach turnover is followed by continued gradual worsening of results. The turnover effect is non-existent when the comparison between the new coach and the old coach is done over 10, 15 or 20 matches before and after termination." https://www.researchgate.net/publication/236043349_Coach_Mid-Season_Replacement_and_Team_Performance_in_Professional_Soccer

Isn't executable - not with who we have on the park at the moment. No accident that we used our 2 first-round picks for players who can hit a target by foot.

This.

There are still a lot of ifs in the Forward line, including Ben Brown.

Another great Demonland myth. (Though most supporters at most clubs think the same thing.)

There have been a few of such studies - and not just in team sports either. All with similar outcomes.

At least Pert gets it: “While it's driven through the whole football program, it will be a very big focus and it’s a priority of our program, of the players taking real ownership. “They’ve got to own it, they’ve got to drive it, they’ve got to hold each other accountable.

So Alistair Clarkson is responsible for Hawthorn finishing 15th this year.

This is the delusion upon which the "Goodwin can't coach" edifice is built. We're a mid-table team getting mid-table results. Heck, we don't even have a functioning forward line, or the players to form one - you only have to look at who we've drafted/traded this year to see that that's something that the club recognises. Even if there are those on here who don't.

The players at their disposal might have more than a little to do with it.

You're presuming we wanted Holmes at that pick.

Yes, if only Mahoney hadn't said anything, no-one would have even known about him. Meanwhile, in the real world: ""They've moved up and targeted the elite runner (Max Holmes). He is a spec pick, but there were so many clubs who liked him in this range," Twomey said."

Too many variables to put absolutes on it, though I think anyone saying Top 4 is kidding themselves. Maybe next year if all goes well this season, but the distance between us and the genuine Top 4 sides is still a chasm. But what I'd be looking for more than anything is consistency, lack of which was our undoing this year.

This.

Sad to see him go, to be honest. He held up the KPD role for a couple of years when we had no-one else who could. Has fallen down the pecking order behind players who are either more capable (May especially) or who can play multiple roles (Smith, Tomlinson). Plus Petty lurking in the wings. Good luck to him, he's still young and you'd think he has a good chance of being picked up elsewhere.

Endurance is not something you lose (easily). Tom has always been able to run all day. It's the other areas that have let him down.

Cough.

Underexamined in my opinion, especially for the run-all-day players.

Deleted (mixing up my Collingwood offcasts).

The impact of being in the hub on players hasn't really been given much exposure. It's something that Weideman commented on in terms of his own loss of form across the last few rounds.

Cats also got 2 future second-rounders (tied to Essendon) back from GWS. Need to look at the whole trade. (People do this all the time.)

No idea what's gone on this year, there are so many factors involved, who knows. Carrying an injury? Overweight? The whole hub situation, the shorter quarters, even being a new dad ... ? One thing I'd say though is that 2019 was a write-off for the whole club - for reasons we all know - and I'd be careful about singling out individuals. Would Tom have had a better year if the mid-field and those around him had a better year? One thing though re 2019 is that from the middle of the season Tom definitely started to get his mojo back. He had one game with 28 possessions, and his best goal kicking game (6 goals) came later in 2019, not 2018. I wonder if we'd be having this discussion if he hadn't got injured and missed the whole back end of the season. Conjecture of course, but I don't know that it's as black and white as it looks at first glance.

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