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This is what "everyone is tradeable" looks like. No point throwing our hands in the air, this is typical of the kinds of trades that many here have been proposing in regards to players from other clubs coming to the Dees.

Trengove hasn't played for a year, and had a disappointing season the one before. His value isn't as high as many here would like to think.

They're called trades. i.e., there are multiple protagonists and criteria to be satisfied: clubs, players, agents, money, girlfriends, wives, ex-wives and ex-girlfriends, (sick) parents or grandparents, money, playing opportunities, coaches, team-mates, injury history, age, money, etc. ... its a long long list, and they all have an impact on possible outcomes. Amongst it all, it's a wonder that ANY trades get done! But if they're not done, it's not because someone has "put their cue in the rack". It's because between the clubs, players, agents, money etc. etc. - keeping all these balls in the air and getting them to come down at the right place at the right time just hasn't been possible. If it was as easy as what you're making out, we'd have a team full of AA players and Brownlow medalists, and the rest, as they say, would be history. One final point: it's perfectly feasible that half of the top 10 at next year's B&F will be made up of players who have been traded in over these 2 years. That's a more than solid result.

Griffin went to GWS for 3 specific reasons: Cameron (coach) is ex Bulldogs, and they get on well and have worked together before. There are ex-Bulldogs players there who he's mates with (Callum Ward for starters). He's not a "limelight" player, and nowhere better to quietly ply your trade than GWS. He would not have come to us under any circumstances, because none of the above criteria apply (except for having Daniel Cross). He would not have gone to any other club either for that matter.

Big fish? Well who exactly? It's not as if they're cueing up to change clubs, and with clubs willing to let them go. It's also not the case that all players want to go to all clubs - Blease to Brisbane (sick father), Griffin to GWS (knows the coach, wants to get out of the limelight) etc. etc. I know it's called the Trade Period, but participating isn't compulsory - the Swans have already said they probably wouldn't be doing any trades. We've got two great trades incoming - Garlett and Lumumba, both of whom should easily finish in our top 10 for quite a few seasons to come. Add to that Stretch and a couple of great draftees, then add in 2 "new" first round picks in Hogan and Trengove - I for one would be very happy with that. The Tyson deal was a happy meeting of coincidences - we wanted Salem, and were confident he'd still be there at 9, Tyson was a bit under the raider because he'd had serious injuries and hadn't played much footy, GWS wanted to control the top end of the draft etc. etc. We can only work around what's available/possible, and rather no trade than the wrong trade just for the sake of making one - which is what you seem to be asking for.

That is a smile.

Just because he was unwanted, doesn't mean they were prepared to give him away for nothing, or that he has no trade value. Also, what happens with the 4th round pick is irrelevant, because it'll be used to upgrade Jetta. Whether it's 75 or 95 or even 65, it has no value to us in trade terms. Smart dealing it seems to me.

Not necessarily disagreeing, but the guy who just won the Brownlow was taken 31 in the Rookie draft, Lumumba has been at or near Collingwood's top handful for many years but was a rookie, as was our other potential trade, Garlettt, who averaged around/over 2 goals a game for 3 years. Some players just don't manage to put it all together by the time they're 18 - a rookie position is not necessarily a guarantee of long-term mediocrity. Frost will be taken on what Roos, Taylor, Viney and co. see in him now, regardless of where he was drafted, and if it takes round 2 to get it done, perhaps it'll have to be. Agree though that it would be bizarre to be paying more for Frost than for Lumumba or Garlett (if it works out that way), or even that Geelong should get Clark for less than what we need to get Frost.

Time to pull out the heavy artillery - we need someone to wash his car for a year. Volunteers?

To reply to/update my own post, our 4th round pick is actually 61. Not sure if that'll be enough, even under the circumstances. (BTW, just realised we got Stretch at pick 42. That could be a bit of a steal if he turns out to be a player).

Blease plus 55 for Gartlett, and we'd still be in front.

Well yes. But then again ... no. Lumumba is Mr. Consistency, both in the way he plays, and in keeping himself on the field. Has missed very few games. So, a useful Lumumba in the hand, who you'll get a very solid 20+ games out of a year, verses (in the bush) an A-Grade player who may or may not even get onto the park. I could live with Lumumba receiving a higher pick.

One thing I'd throw in to all this - I bet there are a few at Essendon now wishing they'd had a couple of HL's in the change rooms asking the odd question rather than just toeing the company line.

Getting laid off/moved on isn't the best place to be at any age, couldn't help.

Yes, like he got into the heads of the Collingwood players and tore the club apart. FFS.

Actually, that's called an opinion.

It would appear the right-wing faction of Demonland is upset at recruiting someone with leftist attitude.

Given that the (senior) Collingwood players have plenty of praise for HL, and that along with doing very well in the Copeland year after year, Harry also managed to pick up a "Best Clubman" award, I'll just put your concerns in the "no basis in fact" basket.

The claim that Longmire and Lyon have been "out-coached" sits at odds with their records. Of the last 6 grand finals, only one hasn't included a "Roos protégé". Also an odd claim given that Longmire has been recently voted "coach of the year" by his peers - for the second time in 3 years.

E.W. Copeland Trophy Top Ten 1. Scott Pendlebury 165 2. Steele Sidebottom 114 3. Dayne Beams 112 4. Heritier Lumumba 89

Nice work Wise. Pearls before swine.

You've got to be kidding. You were wide of the mark in April, and are even wider now. It's got nothing to do with what he regrets, or even what he feels, and your comment re mental health professionals shows how little grasp of the reality of Mitch's situation you actually have.

You know as well as everyone why he won't remain senior coach. He has a wife/family, football is an 80 hour a week job, and sooner or later it's time for the former rather than the latter. He's been clear that they'll move to Hawaii, that his wife also has a life/business/future and that things are already in place in that regard, and even adding one year on to the original two was stretching things.

Roos isn't giving 100%? Great arrangement, when you look at the debacle of most of the coaching situations over the last few years in terms of getting coaches in - Us, Saints, Crows, Suns, Port (pre-Hinkley) - and compare that with the situation at the Swans, i know which I'd rather.

Meant to say, for those who never got to see him live, the closest I can think of in comparison as a Dees supporter and spectator was Liam Jurrah - even the opposition supporters would applaud the magic, and always with much shaking of heads. "How did he do that".