DeeSpencer

Every time I hear this guys name I think of that baby that was mudered - Jaidyn Leskie. I'm not sure I'm ready for another Jayden to go with Jayden Hunt. I'm getting used to Jay and Jesse. Lynden took a while to get used to. I can handle Aidan and Dean's. Not huge on Jordie's and Billy's. A pair of Jayden's including one with pick 3 in the draft. No thanks.

Geelong? They've had Menzel, McIntosh, Vardy and Cowan on their list for years. They call Cowan MH370 because he's always missing.

There were 11 live picks between ND 53 and Rookie pick 2 last year. 13 and about 5 PSD picks the year before of which several have been delisted and others were mature recycled players. 15 and 5 in 2011. Given that stage of the draft I'm really not sure it's a significant difference. You also get a couple of weeks to run a rule over who's left in the pool and get some to train with you. Pick 53 might be a difference. For pick 63 I'd rather the rookie pick really. Ok well I guess no other club with big salary cap space does take a flyer on Trengove. But I still don't think it's great business to drop him back to the rookie list. Just seems the wrong message for a guy we want back. That might sound sentimental but I'm just not a fan of it.

The club got Aidan Riley last year. I can't imagine they didn't expect at least some unexpected moves in trade week/delistings etc. Simply put I think they value Terlich. That may be even more concerning but I think it's where they are at. We are talking about Ben Newton and pick 53/PSD2 becoming available here. Right now those picks look better than Terlich but there's no guarantee. The club would probably prefer the guy who's managed to play some decent footy over the last two years. Re: Frost. Membrey was delisted by the Swans and so can sign with the Saints tomorrow. They would've picked Frost up in the PSD. So in the end we gave up 23 for 40+ Frost. I had hoped we'd use 53 as well but it seems necessary for us to do that trade now that you see how it worked with Membrey.

I think you'll find the club has a high opinion on Spencer. Barry just signed a 2 year deal. I think they consider him much like a new draftee anyway considering how raw he was. No point dropping him back just to fit in another depth player or late pick up. Terlich, the club seem keen on him. He is a willing tackler and hard at it I guess. He also is probably our best half back flanker behind Grimes and Lumumba (sadly I rate them all between 3 and 5 out of 10 or C graders to use another term). But the plan seems to be to cut from the bottom not players who regularly play games. I also can't see us stuffing around Trengove. For 1 someone might take a punt on him in the rookie draft. But also it's just the wrong message for a former captain. We stick by him and he goes on the LTI list. We do have the second pick in the rookie draft as well remember, so no huge hurry to get a late national draft pick instead.

In what world is Liam Anthony a regular? He played 4 games this year, 5 the year before. Hasn't been a regular since 2012. He turns it over. Is soft, non defensive and slow. McKenzie can at least tag. Evans, I think he'll get the chop, but even if he doesn't Anthony isn't better than him really. If either of them played we wouldn't be getting any better.

We can take 2 mids with later picks, plus Brayshaw and Billy Stretch. It will come down to best available. If there was a second very good mid to take we'd take them. But just because Roos is suspect on drafting young forwards doesn't mean he won't let the recruiting staff do their job. I don't see Roos complaining about us getting Hogan. If McCartin is rated high enough we have to pick him.

Nope division winner makes it. I'm happy with that. But I do think the team with the better record should host the wildcard game. The 10-6 wildcard should host the 8-8 division winner. It would certainly be an interesting coincidence if Seattle finished with the better record and had to go play the Saints as the reverse happened a few years back and Seattle as heavy underdogs at home got the win.

If you can't kick, you can't play - Coach of the last 2 premierships/ Also how old is he? 40? Makes 18 year old Nathan Jones look young

56 second mark. Sam Blease's attempted tackle. And you wonder why he was delisted.

Trengove - Navicular - Season Gawn - Meninscus surgery - ?? - A great unknown, you can play 3 weeks later after a clean up or miss several weeks Vince - Shoulder surgery - ??? - Depends if it was a full reco or some other surgery. Given Vince's high fitness base it shouldn't be significant JKH - Mystery demonland injury - return date unknown

And posted a 300 word review!

Nope pretty sure it's a continual 8 week block after the season followed by a 2 week block over Christmas. It's in the AFL CBA which you can google if you want to confirm. The things for younger guys, especially if they are living or back in Melbourne at this time of year (down for the races if nothing else) then you'd want to be fit for the start of preseason I could imagine. And it's much easier training with friends anyway so I'm sure a lot of them would be out running with each other anyway. Why completely ban them access to clubs (as happens in other sports)? I know I'd actually prefer to get some earlier direct fitness oversight from the staff as well as being in the right environment for it.

This thread seems ripe for a bunch of memes letting the AFLPA know just how much we care about their ridiculous rules.

It's for all teams. It's the AFL finally realizing that ask members to pay up more for preseason games is just price gouging. Also if given the choice between a one off fee for a game or buying your membership on the day more (than previous) will buy memberships and that will help the club. I do fear the line at Etihad for the 3rd game to buy a membership and get in to the game will be massive though.

What a shocking coincidence with those 4 teams. How did it happen! Maybe we can get together with the Dogs and work out a broadcast on either clubs websites. Absolute farce if it's not covered at all.

Don't pay national draft prices next year for a guy you could rookie this year! We've got the former Sandy Coach! Plus several others. The VFL (especially if Casey is half decent this year) isn't too onerus for most 18 year olds. And there's always the VFL reserves (shudder). If he's borderline I think someone takes a chance on him just like Adelaide did with Craig Kelly's son last year.

I'll say one last thing about the injuries and if you don't understand it I'll agree to disagree. It's not an excuse for us losing. It's just a reason for why I think we threw a game in round 1 and then won the next 2 and have been horrible since and the reason is lack of depth. The injuries are the mechanism that exposes that. It's the lack of depth that is my comment on the Bears. And it comes from years of poor drafting, development and over reliance on free agency. There's no woe is me about the injuries. I do think discussion of injuries is fair regarding the NFL because if you lose a bunch of players from similar positions you can be exploited in ways or in particular games. I agree they are in no way an excuse for how your team finishes a season though with the exception of QB. In every other position it's about having depth on the roster. I think we are coming at the GB/NO game the same way you are just seeing it from a fans point of view as you blow chances. Personally I thought you went for an ambitious onside kick and still easily kept holding serve by putting up points and NO could only struggle to match you. Maybe that's the case that if you waste chances on the road they come back to bite you, I get that. But I felt to half time GB had their noses in front in terms of how easily Rodgers was working. You had a drop catch and a big penalty wipe away your chances of TD's. Where are the saints after the first drive seemed to be scrambling to get their FG's. Anyway all a bit irrelevant. But that flukey interception certainly changed the game. On Foles - I remember the 3rd last play. The 5 foot something honey badger jumps up and swats away a pass over the head of a 6'3 rookie WR. The new two are in the NFL highlights package. Second play was definitely catchable. He gave the defense a fair chance but it was a fast and safe throw to get a third play if needed. On the final play WR jumps through the air and takes what we'd call a chest mark and is then pushed out whilst airborne. The pass is landing in bounds. If he trails his feet and leans through the air he can catch that. I think CC said it's hard but possible to catch after the game. And that pass was after back pedaling when the Cards sent a 7 man blitz at him. Foles makes inconsistent mistakes with accuracy and occasionally bad decisions and missing receivers. I just thought he did a decent job on that last drive.

They won last week and had reasonable performances against Arizona (10), Seattle (10) and Philly (3) points before that. So I agree. It's the blowout by the Giants that made them look silly. If Dallas win by 10 or more I think it might say more about them. At the same time it's 3rd string QB time for Wash which spells disaster! I'm not sure about the call either but I can see why they called it. It looks like he grabs the DB and pushes him down so he can get the catch. But then in slow mo on replay it looks like a dive by the DB. Guess it's one that if Smith keeps his hands to himself it's a catch. They would certainly call in defensive PI if it were reversed so I understand why they want to be more consistent this year. It comes down to whether you favour black and white rules and calling every breach or if you like a bit of incidental contact and want the game to be contested. I'd say just like the AFL it's a better game if not every single minor breach of the rules is called. Unfortunately you can't win either way as we saw this year with the AFL where they didn't pay anything and everyone was happy until the media revolted.

We've been through this before. I'm not saying the injuries are an excuse. Our defense just has zero depth and hence our defense covered us early in the year and now can't. I can take Cutler being inconsistent, I'm staggered at how consistently unproductive he's been this year though. It doesn't make much sense. I think Trestman has been caught out as a play caller and between the two of them they aren't making adjustments. Cutler is like a lifetime of Daniher era teams. Good enough to get somewhere but nowhere at the same time. His contract is structured so we have him for this year and 2 more and then can cut him (or keep him for 4 more years of misery). I'd be inclined to cut or trade him after the 2 years and take a chance in the draft. In fact if we have the pick and the QB is there I'd do a GB and grab the QB to ride the pine. However it would be a dramatic riding of the pine! I still Carolina are more physical than NO, just a matter of whether Newton finds his straps soon. Thursday night is a huge game for that division. You guys had the better of the saints in the first half. I feel the saints were lucky with some calls to be level at half time. Then the Rodgers hammy seemed to take the wind out of the game and I have big fears on your run defense. It's the missing link that gives another team too much momentum on offense. It's completely un-GB to make a big trade for a DT or DE (or dominate inside LB) but if you had the cap space I'd do it. The NFC is wide open. Philly v Cardinals was a great finish. Thought Foles did pretty well on his 3 throws in the end zone. Didn't waste the clock. Gave 3 different receivers a chance to make a play. Fantastic plays made by the 2 rookie safeties to bat down balls and push the receiver out of bounds. Oh how I wish the Bears hired Bruce Arians. He was runner up for our job and would have Cutler dropping long bombs to receivers and would've hired a better defensive coordinator.

Some of them have smaller pay out clauses these days. But if you want a big name who's happy on a good wage at the Pies you probably have to pay up. Maybe instead of 750k per season for 4 years the deals should be 2mil in year one followed by 300k per year after that but no pay out if you get sacked.

The swans had plenty of academy picks to take care of, the lions had 2 plus Scott Clayton's son as a father son and needed the picks for trades. So either side might still be very keen on him for the rookie draft. But they weren't keen enough to put him ahead of the guys they took. If he's a raw prospect then our new beefed up development team plus Goodwin will be the ones training him up.

Pick 50/PSD/Rookie pick I'd say but I wouldn't at all be unhappy if we did pick him up. He's got the bloodlines. If he wants it bad enough he'll be a player and Roos will have pretty little to do with actually coaching him.

Eade's twice the coach Worsfold ever was. And half as crazy as Bomber.

Simon Goodwin, Bomber Thompson, Neil Balme, Brian Cook, Cam Mooney, Matt Scarlett?