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I'd love it if the AFL gave us a priority pick as much as the next guy, but surely they aren't going to give us 2 first round and 2 second round draft picks....

Taken sorry Choke. And Robbie I never received a how to vote card from The Greens, but I'm happy to allow their preferences to go to who they think fit. Only how to vote cards I received were Labor (at the booth and in the mail), Liberal (mail only which I burned after having a read and rolling my eyes. I avoided them at the booth), Sex Party (mail, actually have some very good policies and nearly voted for them in the senate), DLP (at the booth and disregarded after a quick read) and Family First (booth, but I never actually received it as I told the guy not to bother). I'm actually interested to hear who you'd suggest I vote for in the senate that isn't strongly linked to Labor or Liberal, but would give their preference to one of them before Palmer? I'm not sure if such a party exists? As far as I was concerned my only real options in the senate were The Greens, Democrats and Sex Party. Democrats are dead and buried, Sex Party probably not strong enough yet, so that left me with a pretty simple choice. As for everything else I'm glad you've admitted that you hate Labor as it explains your logic behind your arguments. I for one don't hate The Liberal Party, i simply disagree with many of their policies. I don't like Tony Abbott, neither do I like Sophie Mirabella, Mal Brough or Christopher Pine, but I have a lot of time for Malcolm Turnbull, Joe Hockey, Bruce Billson and at times Barnaby Joyce. Under the right circumstances I would vote for The Liberal Party if I thought they would do a better job, but I don't believe they will under Abbott's leadership. I came very close to voting for them at the last State election and if it weren't for me living in Tim Holding's electorate who did a fantastic job I would have voted Liberal. There's a state election next year and my votes up for grabs. Will most likely vote Labor, but never say never and I think that should be the mentality to voting that people should take. By all means have a party that suits your views more then the other absolutely, but if you think they need a spell or if you think the other party has better policies to bring in then give them a go!

Choke's right Robbie, your extreme bias has you talking in circles. You critisized Choke for not voting for anyone and not making a decision, but then have a go at me because I voted Labor in the house of reps and Greens in the senate. You had a go at Greens & Labor for preferencing Palmer United aheadof the Liberal party, yet not the Liberal Party for preferencing Palmer ahead of both of them. If the Fairfax race had of been between Palmer & the Labor member, where do you think the Liberal Member's preference would have gone? You complain about people having a go at Abbott on a thread named Tony Abbott is an international embarrasment, yet then proceed to give derogatory names to several different Labor Members. You say that Abbott has made comments in the past that he regrets, but then come out and talk about all these things Albanese & Shorten have done in the past. You have to practice what you preech Robbie. As for the broad staements about The Greens, you've called their economic policies in to line and said anyone who supported them and saw their policieswould be embarrased. Well, what policies of The Greens are embarrasing? You also then go on about Labor and Greens voters crying out bias about anyone who doesn't agree with them, yet have you read your own posts on this thread Robbie? I suggest you do.

You should send her an e-mail and ask if she'll be covering the story Jack seeing as she wrote about the concerned parents of teenagers being drafted to a club like Essendon where they treated the players like Guinea Pigs or Melbourne where the club didn't give them their best chance to succeed by tanking. What about Richmond where they openly allow their players to associate with known criminals???

Labor and the Liberals are both in favor of mining, the only difference is Labor want them to pay more tax then the Liberals. As for The Greens preferencing them, first of all by law they're required to lodge a ticket and I think you'll find it's because of Clive Palmer's much more compassionate views on asylum seekers which is one if not one of the biggest issues that the Greens see in Australia at the moment. If you saw Christine Milne on 7:30 you would have seen her say as much. As for the Greens economic policies, how dare they not share a surplus at all costs mentality of The Liberals and think that Big Banks & Mining pay more to go back into health and education when they're currently enjoying billion dollar profits year after year after year. But that's right, all The Greens really want is to run the country into bakruptcy so everyone's out of a job and we all return to living off the land, travelling by horse and cart so emissions are down while preparing our dinner in a cauldron over a wood fire and the house lit by candle light. It's amazing what some people believe when they read to much Andrew Bolt, listen to Alan Jones, Steve Price and only take in Murdoch related media. How's the O'Reilly Factor program going, haven't seen it for awhile...

I work with a friend of Josh's wife who told me a couple of weeks back that he was a good chance of keeping the role if they secured Roos. We'll wait and see I guess.

I reckon Jason Pongracic who's also be named may also be well worth a look at us recruting. Especially if we trade our first couple of picks away. Reckon he'd be a very good get at any pick after our 3rd rounder.

Potential complicated 4 way club trade to get some of the deals done that have been mentioned in the media? Melbourne trade out Picks 2 & 18 Adelaide trade out Sloane, McKernan & Pick 40 GWS trade out Adams, Bruce & Pick 51 St Kilda trade out Fisher & Pick 53 Melbourne gain Sloane & Adams Adelaide gain Picks 2, 51 & 53 GWS gain Fisher, McKernan & Pick 40 St Kilda gain Bruce & Pick 18 Reckon that's close to a win for all. We get two quality mids who are ready to go. Adelaide get back into the draft with Pick 2 and having their 3rd pick before where their current 2nd pick would otherwise come. GWS get a key defender, a forward/ruck and an upgrade of Pick 51 to 40 for the loss of two promising young players and St Kilda get a young key defender and an uprade from Pick 53 to 18 for the loss of Fisher?

Wouldn't have though so either. Swan comes across to me as the type of guy that would just retire instead.

The rumor flying around the office this morning is Swan & Shaw to GWS for Pick 1 (Boyd).

Jolly will end up at Geelong Krakouer at West Coast Russell at Adelaide and Didak at St Kilda None will be at Melbourne...

Thought Tynan may have picked up a 1 year deal to prove himself under Roos and that one of Sellar or Davis (probably Sellar) would have been kept for depth. Magner, Jetta & Nicho lucky IMO and even Taggert isn't out of the woods yet. Those 4 and Stark are probably the only other players that may come under scrutiny over the next few weeks. But I'd certainly delist Magner and pick up Cross instead.

Assuming we don't get a priority pick. And after confirming we're delisting Tom Gillies, Troy Davis, Neville Jetta, Daniel Nicholson, James Magner & Tom Couch. Pick 2 to West Coast for Scott Selwood & Pick 6 (Maybe swapping of some other later picks) Pick 6 to GWS for Taylor Adams Sign Daniel Cross as a free agent Draft the two best midfielders available at Picks 18 & 34. Draft the best young key defender at Pick 52. Rookie Draft a long term ruck preospect and Khan Haretuku from Frankston Dolphins

Ahead of the Liberal Party, you bet. Just like the Liberal Party also preferenced Palmer ahead of them. http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/tony-abbott-banishes-the-greens-from-the-lower-house/story-fni0cx12-1226696646808 " Meanwhile, Mr Abbott would not rule out doing deals or preferencing other minor parties such as Bob Katter's Australia Party or Clive Palmer's Untied Party." "There is a world of difference with the Greens and everyone else contesting this election," he said. "Everyone else supports economic growth and a more prosperous economy ... (the Greens have) fringe economic policies to put it kindest. No one else has that kind of economic policy." So it goes both ways Robbie, it's just the seat of Fairfax is coming down to a battle between Palmer & Liberal. If it was Palmer & Greens, or Palmer & Labor I know where the Liberal parties preferences would have been going. But we're in 100% agreement about the disaster that the 2004 election brought with the Liberal Party being able to introduce anything they wanted with control of both houses. Maybe there needs to be better education given to people about how the senate works given what happened back then and what's happened in this election?

I agree that the senate needs a partial overhaul and that you should win at least 5% of the Primary vote to get in, otherwise it's a system that's worked us well up until now. As for Palmer holding the country to ransom, he has 2 seats. Liberal Party will have 33, Family First 2 (and lets face it, their just the right wing faction of Liberal), Labor 25, Greens 10 and then we've got the Motor Enthusiast, Sports Party, Democratic Liberal Party (Gun nut) and the experienced independent Nick Xenophon. It's up to the Liberal Party to convince Family First (easy enough) and the 4 of Nick Xenophon, Motor Enthusiast, Sports Party and DLP that what they want to pass is just and for the good of the country and there's no issue. No holding the country to ransom by Palmer or negative politics by Labor or The Greens, after all that's the Liberal Party's game anyway. Anyway that's how the senate's suppose to work, it's suppose to be up to some smaller parties who can look at things from a different perspective to decide whether what the government want passed, should be passed. What you seem to be thinking is a good idea is a dictatorship... I'm sure Christopher Pine would agree with you there, however that never seems to work out to well. Anyway, if it wasn't for the Liberal Party (& Meg Lees of course) the Democrats would probably of still been a viable option and held anywhere from 4-6 of the 8 remaining senate seats, held the balance of power and we wouldn't have the mess of a senate that we're seeing now. Make no mistake, this can be linked back to the GST first being introduced. Oh and by the way, I voted Greens in the senate Robbie, as at least I know they're not going to just rubber stamp anything that comes through whether it's Labor or Liberal in power. If Democrats were still a viable option I would have voted for them however.

Who would you have liked them to preference instead Robbie? The biggots at Family First? Their direct opposition in the Liberal/National party? Or maybe the racists at One Nation or Rise up Australia Party??? Since the Liberals (and Meg Lees of course) killed off the Democrats, Labor & The Greens could throw a blanket over the rest as to who and what order they should preference in. I was upset that I had to number the Palmer United member number 4 on election Day when I was doing my house of reps card with 9 options. But I sure as hell wasn't going to preference any of the other 5 options ahead of them.

Geelong & GWS may look at Jolly for a short term option, but can't really see anyone else picking him up.

I agree with you Choke, unfortunatly though media being fair and balanced went out of fashion a long time ago to the extent we see it across all forms of news from politics to sport to world affairs. They're all pushing their own agenda.

Final paragraph from The Age's open letter in their editorial in today's paper page 20. "The Age believes in economic and social progress, in liberty and justice, in equality and compassion, and openness of government. We believe the role of government is to build a strong, fair nation for future generations, and not to pander to sectional interests. It is with these values in mind that we endorse the Labor Party in this important election." You can read the full letter here: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/the-age-editorial/labors-policies-best-reflect-our-values-20130905-2t828.html Couldn't of said it any better myself. We'll see what tomorrow brings....

I've gone with Fitzy,a s he's gone from certain delister to someone Roos himself has said he'd have in our 22. Strong argument for Garland though.

Lindsay in NSW up against Fiona Scott. He doesn't think the traffick's as bad as she does...

Paul Roos has turned down the Melbourne job to take on an even bigger challenge: Leader of the Labor Party. Labor are hoping that with his sudden appointment as PM, it will help boost their popularity to victory on Saturday. Roos will be sworn in as PM and cast his vote simultaneously on Saturday morning...

Wel Maccas had to go to VCAT to get permission to build because the council rejected the bid. It's the councils job to represent their community so to answer your question. No, the people of Tecoma don't want Maccas there.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/current/story/667951.html White no longer Victorian captain and Matthew Wade now has the job. Shipperd trying to give Wade some leadership experience to get him back into the Australian XI do we think?