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I like your train of thought but I'm willing to see if Bailey can do anything with Miller before trading him off. He's still quite young (24 or 25?) and 3 seasons ago was being touted as the next Wayne Carey on these forums. He has something to offer that's for sure and our list is currently short on talls (mind the pun ) so it may be worth keeping him on the list, for depth (which all clubs need) if nothing else. In this so-called shallow draft, I don't think trading away some of our limited number of talls (ie. miller & Jamar) for late picks is worthwhile. It's been said there are 15 ruckmen in this draft or something. We'll be able to pick one up with a 4th round pick probably or maybe even in the rookie draft. Plus we already got a 1st round ruckman (just happened that he was in the 2004 draft). I say we hang onto Jamar, he's got no trade currency seemingly and he's still very young. As I said in my earlier post, rucking is a game for the old heads of the comp. We have White to compete for next season and maybe the one after, by which time Jamar and Meesen should be ready to step in and at least compete for the tap and not get walked all over. I'm all for trading, but not trading just for trading's sake. The club has to be smart about it, I think they've done tremendously well this trade week.

Bailey has told the world that we're going to re-build now for a serious tilt at the flag in probably 2-3 season's time when our core group of sub-23s are coming into their prime. Trading Trapper for pick 14 and hence gaining a second first round pick is a means to an end to accomplish the stated direction in which the club is moving. I don't see what all the fuss is about. If our experienced players were going to win a premiership they would have done it by now, the fact is they weren't good enough and their chance has now well and truly passed them by. TJ was the best of this group and we traded him to get someone new in? Sure its not a guarantee of picking up a future champ but its a reasonable bet he might turn out to be one. The future flag prospects of our club lies well and truly on the shoulders of the the under 23's (McLean, Bell, Jones, Bate, Dunn, Pettard, Frawley, Rivers, Davey, Meesen, Sylvia, Moloney), by adding two more first rounders to this list now, watch out for us in 2-3 years time I say. C'mon the Dees!

I know history counts for pretty much bugger all when it comes to drafting and player development, but it shows, as many are well aware, that talls are notoriously slow to develop and/or a risky proposition with an early first round draft pick. Of the current crop of established rucks I think there's only about 4 or 5 that were first rounders (White [pick 1], Fraser [pick 1], Ottens [pick 2], McIntosh [pick 9?], Hale [pick 7]). Most of the rest were mid-draft picks, late round speculative picks, PSD pick-ups or rookie elevations. Some of the best were rookie elevations: ie. Cox and Sandilands. What I'm trying to say is, I hope we don't use our early picks to go for a ruckman, if we could get Kreuzer I'd make an exception because he's obviously a freak. As others have said, rucking is an old man's game where experience, guile and strength that comes from a long career are huge assets. If you look back over the past 7 or so All-Austrlian teams there's a recurrent theme with ruckmen, age and experience (possibly the exception here is Cox who developed early). But Lade, Primus, King and Everitt featured heavily in those teams, and all were/are in their prime or twilight years. I think the ruck is a largely over-rated position in the modern day game where winning the clearance primarily comes down to positioning of ground players, ability to read the tap, and probably a lot of luck most of all. As long as we've got someone that can compete in the ruck (White, one of the comps smallest ruckmen is now probably on his last legs) and offer a reasonable amount of presence around the ground by foot or hand then that's okay with me. The priority for us is KPP (forward and back), midfielders with good skill (now that TJ has left) and hopefully some pace. A run-with player could also be a good pick up (someone like McGinnity). Any ruckmen taken in this draft should be with pick 21 or later I reckon or even the rookie draft.

The club is bigger than the individual, people will get over it and if they don't then they aren't real supporters.

Amen Graz & Maurie, I wrote something very similar to both you guys late last night in response to someone whining about the impending TJ trade on another thread.

Welcome to the site. Your sentiments are indeed noble but in my opinion a little off the mark. There's been so many countless numbers of good draft picks taken late in drafts, the fact that history shows pick 14 to be a dud counts for absolutely nothing. We all place our faith and trust in CAC to come up with the goods and he's done just that more times than he's failed during his tenure at MFC. What reason do we have to doubt him now? The fact that Trappers on the way out is a touch saddening but if we really crave a shift of the complacent, undisciplined, inconsistent culture that has beset our club then I'm afraid its the likes of Trap that are going to have to be shown the door. He epitomises our mediocrity, flashes of brilliance, oodles of natural talent, but ultimately its turned out to be a whole heap of wasted potential. He's not a solid week in week out performer and has had 10 years to prove his worth to the club. 1 B&F and a couple of good finals games is hardly what we would have all hoped for from the #1 pick. I'm sure many would reason that the new coach could work wonders with his talent and get him to pull his head in. However, in my opinion by putting trapper on the table, Bailey has already worked wonders in that its sent a message loud and clear to everyone on the MFC list that they don't have a divine right to pull on the red & blue. This is something that's going to have to be earned under Bailey and I think its a stroke of genius. Having two first round picks is a great situation to be in. Don't look at previous draft history. There's a bucket load of good players in this draft, all they need is the right coaching, physical conditioning and development with some old fashioned good luck with injuries of course. I'm really hoping that we can snare a good tall with pick 14 (someone like Rance, Myers, Pears, Henderson, or Gourdis), theres a good chance that most of these could easily slip through to pick 14 and I'd be stoked with any of them at the club.

Geez his writeup sounds like someone I know, first name Brad wears the number 7

As stated on another thread, I'd rather try to deal with the Eagles for their pick 13 and Ben mckinley than to assist the pies and Brisbane.

This McKinley fella sounds a good prospect. I say screw helping out the Pies in their deal with Brisbane for wood, although pick 14 is certainly a lot more attractive than pick 20. what's the eagles 1st round pick? 13? what about dealing direct with the WCE for trapper? Trapper to Eagles and our 3rd rounder (pick 47) for Eagles first round pick (13) and Ben Mckinley. That would be a better deal for us I reckon than TJ to Brisbane for pick 14 and Rhys shaw. Thoughts?

Our players In their prime (ie. 26-29 years old) 6) Robbo 7) Green 8) Bruce 9) TJ 10) Whelan 11) Wheatley 12) Carrol 13) Ferguson Take out TJ and replace with R. Shaw big step backwards. Yes we get pick 14 but I think we should get someone slightly younger or more valuable than R.Shaw as a sweetener in this deal.

i'd prefer martin clarke to r. shaw

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I hear this sentiment expressed often on this forum and in my opinion its wrong. Up to this point Rivers has certainly been best as a 3rd tall in defense and has looked a little undersized when playing on the big forwards, but if you look at his height and weight stats, he's the same height and just a smidge lighter than both Scarlett and Harley. Given that Rivers has spent an entire year on the sidelines recuperating from groin troubles, I think it would probably be safe to say the bloke has put on even more bulk as he would've been restricted to mainly swimming pool and gym work. I think that we'll see a bigger and much stronger Jared Rivers pull on the Red and Blue next year and he'll be able to hold down CHB with aplomb. I'm pretty confident about this.

Answering Diablo: probably much of a muchness really, as it looks like the Tiges might be picking him with pick 2. I dunno, its a tough call since nearly all the top talent is from outside victoria. CAC will have his hands full cross examining these young guys to make sure he doesn't get bitten in the bum again like with Scott Thompson. Answering deeluded: not so concerned about key forwards, hopefully Newton can take over from Neita soon. Bate looks a likely CHF if he can muscle up a little bit more. Gourdis's agility, leap and speed look to be outstanding. I doubt he'll slip through to our second pick. No doubt we're going with a midfielder with our top pick, always seems to happen. David myers sounds a really good prospect as does Rance of course, tall defenders that can offer some run out of the back half is just what our team is crying out for I think.

tall, raking kick of the football, best beep test in draft camp, just for starters.

Players I'm interested in: Palmer, Morton, Myers, Gourdis, Dangerfield, McGinnity, Rioli, Cotchin, Rance.

Cheers to Fergberger for posting this, thought I'd put it here for reference Here is a list of next years crop draftees. Who do you like? Matt Kreuzer-199cm, 91kg-Northern Knights. (ruck) The most talked about player in the draft and for pretty good reason. His tap work is good but he holds his own more than dominates. It is around the ground where his class shows. He simply moves around like another midfielder. Has clean hands and good skills and can tackle. Has great running ability and gets to contests all around the ground. To put it plainly guys his size who can play like midfielders are too good to pass up. Top 5 pick. Alex Rance-194cm, 87kg-Swan Districts. ( CHB/FB). The star defender of the National champs. His run out of defence was great. His defensive work was excellent. Has good pace and skills for a big bloke. He worked in well with Browne and Meyers to give WA the killer dash from defence. His handballing was creative and he hits targets by foot. He is simply a defender that every club will rate. Top 15 pick. Ben McEvoy-199cm, 90kg-Murray Bushrangers. (Ruck, fwd) He has been on the radar for a while and has had good form this year. He was one of Country’s best performers during the champs playing in the ruck and up forward. He looks to have good endurance and moves around the ground well but he is not blessed with a lot of pace. His ruckwork is pretty good and he can read the play. His kicking skills are very good and he can take a good contested mark. He is the type of ruckman that can ruck for a good portion of the match. Where he goes in the draft will be interesting. Pick 10 to 30 Tom Collier – 192cm, 86kg-Lauderdale TAS. ( RR/CHB). I have Tom in my midfield review as well but he has to be in the backs too given he has played a lot at CHB. Not sure if he will have the height to be an outright KP player but he certainly can play the running half back role and his defensive skills are good. Uses the footy well. Reads the game well. There is no doubt clubs will like his ability to play back or in the middle. Top 25 pick. Tate Pears-192cm, 90kg-East Perth-(CHB/HBF). Played at CHB for WA in the champs and played well. Like Collier is probably a bit short of the prototype CHB but he simply gets the job done. Plays tight but knows when to run off. Like his team mates he gave WA great run from defence. He has shown he can spoil well and has played forward at times with East Perth colts and kicked a goal. Pick 15 to 40. Thomas Bellchambers-199cm, 91kg-Northern Bombers. (Ruck). Tasmania’s number one ruckman who’s tap work during the champs was very good. Gets in good positions to hit the ball to his team mates but he can be prone to hitting to nothing spots at times. He has a bit or work to do as far as his around the ground stuff goes. He can take a nice mark and kicks the footy ok for a big bloke. I think someone will take a punt on him simply because of his tap skills. Pick 20 to 50. Lachie Henderson-196cm, 90kg-Geelong Falcons.(Fwd). Hard to line up this year because he has been injured and missed a lot of the season. Played some good footy last year and he was good around the ground and a good mark. Played pretty well in last years TAC Cup finals which pretty much has to be the guide as he has only played two games this year for the Falcons and I have only seen one of them. He has played in the ruck a bit so far but I don’t think he has the height or leap to be an AFL ruckman. His kicking is good for a big bloke. I am not really sure where he will go in the draft. Pick 15 to 40 Darcy Daniher – 192cm, 80kg-Calder Cannons. (CHB) Darcy has been played forward and back, sometimes in the same game, all year in the TAC Cup. When he has played forward he has shown he can kick goals. Can take a good grab and he is a free flowing runner who moves around the ground well. During the Champs he played mainly in defence and although he was not a stand out he did play pretty well. His kicking is pretty strong and he hits targets pretty well. Has had a lot of games where he has had 15 to 20 disposals which isn’t bad for a big bloke. Hasn’t really been outstanding too often but has played solid footy all the way through. Pick 20 to 50. Steve Gaertner-196cm, 83kg-Dandenong Stingrays. (Fwd). Interesting player this bloke. In the games I have seen him play he has certainly looked very athletic with good pace for a big man and pretty good skills. The problem with him when I have been watching is he often looks like he is going to take a game apart only to fade out of the game. Looks like he is on fire but it only last 10 minutes or so. When he is on song he can take a strong grab. Pick 20 to 50. Scott Simpson-194cm, 91kg-Dandenong Stingrays. (Fwd). Good contested marking forward who is a reasonable goal kicker. He has played a bit in the ruck as well but I am not sure he will be big enough to ruck at AFL level. Like Gaertner he looks like he is about to tear a game apart at times but it never really seems to happen. The way he moves around and plays I think he has a huge upside if he can find some consistency. Pick 20 to 40. Andrew Renton-202cm, 94kg-Eastern Rangers. (Ruck). Good size ruckman who has done well for Rangers this year. His tap work is good but he could learn to better direct some of his hit outs. He also has to learn that he must jump at all the ruck contests as he sometimes tries to rely on just his height. When he actually does jump at a contest he looks very good. He is a good mark and his kicking is reliable but he needs to do more around the ground and he wanders from contest to contest a lot of the time rather than getting involved. Can take a grab and kick a goal when he is up forward. Someone will take a punt on him and hope they can get his work rate up to match his raw talent. Pick 25 to 60. James Mulligan-201cm, 96kg-Southport. (Ruck). I have only seen him play three games and he hasn’t really done a lot but in small patch’s he has shown some raw talent. He is mobile. He can kick the footy a mile and can take a mark. Doesn’t do nearly enough around the ground or in the ruck for that matter. Like Renton I think someone will take a chance with him simply because of the raw product. Pick 40 plus. Dave Gourdis-193cm, 88kg-Subiaco. (CHF) Impressed for WA at CHF during the champs. Good sized kid who was very mobile and a good shot at gaol. Kicking skills are pretty good and he was prepared to work hard to present as a target. Seemed to read the play very well and knew where to lead so he could get himself in the game. Pick 10 to 40. Dan McKenna-194cm, 82kg-Gippsland Power. (FWD / BCK). Has had a bit of an up and down year playing in a strong side. Has been used at CHF and CHB during the year. Had some good early form as a key forward but it has dropped of a little as the season has gone on. Had a reasonable time at the Champs without being a star. Has shown some sort of ability to read the play as a back man and he can spoil well if needed. Is pretty lightly built at the moment. Pick 25 to 60. Luke Sampey-191cm, 91kg-East Perth. (FWD). Not overly tall for KP but did well playing FF for WA during the champs. Leads up well and can take a decent mark. Goal kicking is a bit 50/50. Pick 40 plus. Will Sullivan – 202cm, 95kg-Western Jets. (Ruck). Tall ruckman who’s form is a little up and down. His skills are pretty good for a big man but he should be doing more around the ground than what he does. Had a quiet time at the champs for Vic metro. His tap work is good when he plays well but for a bloke his size he doesn’t always use his bulk. Has had some games with 25 plus hit outs. Pick 40 plus. Matt Lobbe-197cm, 80kg-Eastern Rangers. (FWD). Has played part time in the ruck but has spent most of his time playing CHF. Has good hands and is a good kick but needs to impose himself on contests more often. Looks like at times he is stuck playing under 16 mindset where he can just have the footy kicked in his direction so he can take a grab. Gets around the ground ok for a tall bloke. Pick 40 plus. Trent Zomer-194cm, 94kg-Eastern Rangers. (Fwd) Spends a bit of time rucking but will never be an AFL ruckman. It has been up forward he has sown his best form in recent times. Very good sized body. Leads up well and has strong hands. He is a good shot at goal. Pick 50 plus. Jayden Donaldson -188cm, 85kg-Bendigo Pioneers. Is a bit on the short side for a KP defender but is pretty good in the one on one duels. Finds enough of the footy for a defender and his kicking is ok. Has kicked goals when played forward including one bag of 6. Pick 50 plus. Shaun Dixon-186cm, 85kg-Eastern Rangers. A bit of a left field selection that will not be rated by most. Has been playing FB for Rangers and has been excellent against the big blokes or the smalls. He has an uncanny knack of being able to spoil all sizes of opponents without giving away free kicks. He has an awkward kicking style but does hit targets. Plays a lot taller than he is. Pick 50 plus. Travis Dulic-192cm, 90kg-Calder Cannons. Big solid kid he is a bit of an old style FB. Defence is very good. He pace is ok and he has a decent long kick. He can be a bit hit and miss as far as hitting targets go. Pick 40 plus. Robert Tarrant -196cm, 92kg-Bendigo Pioneers. I have to put Tarrant on this list as i'm pretty sure someone will take him. Can’t give him much of a rating because I have only seen him play once this year (against Rangers). He was reasonably good in this game and took some good grabs but his kicking wasn’t great. Every other time I have seen Bendigo play he has been injured. Pick 20 to 60. Jake Spiteri-193cm, 87kg-Northern Knights. Solid kid who has played Ruck, CHF and CHB for the Knights this year. He goes ok in the ruck but is not really a genuine ruckman. Leads up well and is reasonably mobile at CHF. Doesn’t win huge amounts of the footy but has had a few strong games. Pace is reasonable for a big guy. His defensive skills are ok. Kicking is ok on the right. Can take a strong Mark. Pick 40 plus. Tim Bongetti-191cm, 89kg-Northern Knights. Good strong bodied forward who can take a good grab. His left foot goal kicking is good but he can struggle to kick it 50 meters in games I have seen him play. His leading is good and seems to know where to lead. Pace is a bit of a question mark as he isn’t quick and lumbers a bit. Has kicked a few bags of goals during the year. Pick 40 plus. Matthew Quinton – 192cm, 89kg- Northern Knights. Defender who is a reasonably good right foot kick. Doesn’t win a huge amount of the footy but is good on his day. Defensive skills are good. Has played mainly fullback. Seems to read the play pretty well and on his better days he will back himself to run out of defence. Toby Thoolan-195cm, 92kg-Bendigo Pioneers. Tallish bottom age kid who has played mainly Ruck and FP this year. Has a pretty good leap in the ruck and can win taps. He is pretty mobile and his pace is ok for a tall. His kicking is pretty good and he can kick it a long way. When he has been resting up forward he has managed a goal or two in most games but I think he could possibly work on presenting at the contest more as he doesn’t take a lot of contested marks. Pick 40 plus. John Shaw-197cm, 90kg-Sandringham Dragons. Overage ruckman who has played well for Sandy this year. Wins plenty of taps but doesn’t get much of the footy around the ground. Can take a good contested mark. His kicking is nothing to write home about but not terrible. Hasn’t much pace. Pick 50 plus. Luke Casey-Leigh-195cm, 84kg-Sandringham Dragons. Tall defender whose defensive skills are ok. Not great body on body. Kicking is average and needs to improve his awareness when he has the footy in his hands. Pick 50 plus. Harry Croft-192cm, 82kg-Oakleigh Chargers. Has missed a bit of footy this year so I haven’t seen a lot of him. Has played in defence and as a forward. Has also had a run in the middle. His marking is good and skills look ok. Has good hands in close. Pick 30 plus. Andrew Hogan – 198cm, 81kg-Oakleigh Chargers. Has been ok in a few games for the Chargers this year. Tall skinny kid who gets around the ground ok. Ruck work is reasonable. Right foot kicking is good and he can take a mark. Pick 40 plus. Glenn Chivers-189cm, 85kg-Oakliegh Chargers. Have only seen him play a couple of times but his defensive skills are ok. Pace is reasonable. His kicking is a bit scruffy. Is now taller than the 189cm that he is listed at. Hasn’t played a lot of TAC Cup footy. Can tackle. Pick 45 plus. Chris Kangars-193cm, 84kg-Geelong Falcons. Another who I have only seen a few times. Tallish and a bit on the skinny side but moves ok. Defensive skills are ok. Can find the footy. His kicking is ok. In the games where he has found more of the footy he handballs off to the running players more than kicking it. Can take a contested mark. Pick 40 plus. Dawson Simpson-205cm, 97 kg-Murray Bushrangers. Very tall ruckman who wins a lot of the tap work. I haven’t seen a lot of him play and when I have, I have thought he needs to do more around the ground. Doesn’t really win a lot of the footy. Someone will have a look at simply because of his height. Pick 40 plus. Chris Masten – 180cm, 78kg – East Fremantle. A genuine in and under rover who can run all day and is very good at getting his team mates into the game. His skills are very good and creative on both sides of his body and knows how to block for his mates in the middle. He isn’t a jet as far as pace goes but his vision and composure make up for that. Finds plenty of the footy and is very good at the stoppages and clearances. He has had a pretty consistent year playing mainly in the seniors for East Fremantle in the WAFL. Had an excellent under 18 championship series where he was captain of WA and really delivered on field with his work rate and one precenters. Played really consistent footy over four quarters in all three champ matches. Work rate is very good. Doesn’t mind going forward and kicking a goal. Top 15 pick. Rhys Palmer – 180cm, 76kg – East Fremantle. Exploded onto the scene with a sensational National Champs where he dominated in the middle and kicked goals. Good skills on both sides of his body and has plenty of run and flair. Before the champs he was good for East Freo without being a stand out but he has kicked on since his efforts at the Nationals with more 20 plus possession games. Very hard at the footy and looks like he enjoys going in hard. He is very good at the clearances and has a booming left foot kick. Kept working hard and finding the footy despite efforts to tag him. Very good work rate. Top 15 pick. Trent Cotchin – 184cm, 77kg – Northern Knights. Classy skilful player who was all the talk before the Nationals but failed to deliver his best for Vic Metro. He was tagged pretty heavily during the champs and didn’t have the answers to beat it. In the TAC Cup he has been a standout. Great skills, excellent reader of the play. He is a one touch player who finds targets. In the champ trail match’s he dominated to the extent that he was taken off the ground after a quarter and a half so that they could get a look at other players. Top 15 pick. Cale Morton – 192cm , 75kg – Claremont . Tallish wingman/halfback with superb skills and a lovely long kick of the footy . Is very much an outside player who tends to be the playmaker or handball receiver but he doesn’t miss too many targets. He links in well in this role and can kick a goal from outside 50. Needs to build up a bit body wise. Has good endurance and his pace is ok. He knows how to find space and is a one touch player. If he isn’t receiving a handball he is running to space and getting a mark. Great talent. Top 15 pick Scott Sellwood – 184cm 81kg – Bendigo Pioneers. Gets a lot of publicity simply because of his brothers but as far as footy goes he is his own man. He isn’t as classy as Joel but he does have great skills. Isn’t overly fast and tends to crash through the smaller guys rather than beat them with skill. Has played a bit of junior footy at half back with no one on him so he finds the ball a bit but often I think he could be working harder during games. Needs to run and carry it more often. He is a good size kid who does seem to enjoy playing an inside pack crashing role. Top 20 pick. Cyril Rioli – 178cm, 74kg – St Marys NT. Despite playing most of the nationals as a small forward due to him recovering from injury he is a genuine midfielder. Has good pace and a nice left foot kick but is good on both sides of his body. His tackling is also very good. Gets his team mates involved and was the leading goal assist player at the Champs. Showed he was very dangerous up forward with 7 goals in the last champ game against QLD. Has been playing school footy in Melbourne so he will know what to expect when he moves south. Top 20 pick Brad Ebert – 187cm, 86kg- Port Adelaide SANFL. Captain of SA and a bottom age player but he has already played senior SANFL footy for Port. Is a very good sized kid who was tagged well during the Champs but still did well. He is an excellent inside or outside player with good skills and pace and is a good contested mark of the footy. Extremely courageous in his attack on the ball and lead the SA side well. Top 20 pick. David Myers – 190cm, 85kg-Perth. Played in defence during the national champs but I’m sure people will see him as a future midfielder. He was very highly rated before the carnival and did his reputation no harm at all getting plenty of the footy as a running back man. Looks like a natural runner who has good skills. Was a standout in the 2006 International Rules series against Ireland. He has the size and body that clubs love in running wingers. Pick 10 to 30. Tom Collier – 192cm, 86kg – Lauderdale Tas. Has played a lot of footy at CHB but he showed during the Nationals that he was just as good as a ruck rover. He was overlooked as a bottom age player last year but has come on in leaps and bounds this year. Has VFL experience with the Devils. He isn’t quick but he has good skills and uses the ball well. Likes to run with the footy and is also good at finding the footy in a pack. Was easily Tasmania’s best midfielder in their last champ game. Given his ability to play back or in the middle he will be well sort after. Top 25 pick. Stephan Browne – 181cm, 74kg – West Perth. Played as a small defender during the national champs but he is another that will be looked at as a future midfielder. Plays tight and hard and did well to blanket out his opponents. Has good pace and is an accurate kick. Has had very good form in the WAFL in recent weeks. Pick 10 to 30. Pat Vezpremi – 181cm, 83kg-Northern Knights – Strong solid straight ahead midfielder who backs up his hard at it style with a bit of flair. He isn’t subtle in any way. He just gets in and gets the footy and runs through people. Not overly quick and not silky smooth in the skills department as some of the highly touted midfielders. Just goes hard all day long. Pick 20 to 40. Paddy McGinnity – 182cm, 75kg-Claremont- One of the lesser knowns of the all star WA midfield but deserves a mention in his own right. Took Cotchin out of the game in their game against Vic Metro while still winning his own footy. Can run with opponents all day and has good speed. Skills are good and he can win the footy at clearances. His tagging was very disciplined. Pick 10 to 30. Jack Grimes-187cm,76kg,Northern Knights- Is not quick and his skills are not outstanding but he is hard at it and reads the play very well. He is always in the game trying to block or shepherd or tackle and shows some leadership skills in the way he gets around to pump up his team mates. He doesn’t let up and gives what looks like his best all day long. He is pretty clean with his ball handling and doesn’t fumble . Has played at half back / half forward and in the middle. Pick 20 to 50. Addam Maric-179cm, 80kg-Calder Cannons. Was Vic Metros shinning light up forward looking the most dangerous option most of the time? Very accurate kick for goal. And his kicking skills are excellent. He has played midfield but I haven’t seen a lot of him in the middle so it is hard to tell if he has what it takes to play full time there. He is certainly a very good small forward. Hard to judge where he will go in the draft. Pick 20 to 60 Jackson Hall -187cm,76kg-Gippsland Power/Traralgon. Tall quick winger who runs hard. His kicking isn’t always good as far as decision making goes but has been consistently good in the TAC Cup. One of Vic Country’s better players in the Champs. Will be seen as a player with a big upside as he has an A grade running game. Pick 20 to 50 Sam Reid – 185cm, 75kg-Zillmere QLD. He was Queensland’s Mr Fix it during the carnival as it seemed a lot of the time Reid had to find the footy and then be on hand to receive it. He has alright pace but isn’t a jet. Knows how to find the footy but at times he seemed to get lost as he had to carry the load for the rest of the midfield. Skills are reasonable. Wont go early but he would be a solid late pick. Pick 20 to 60 Levi Greenwood- 181cm, 91kg-Port Magpies SA. Big solid kid who was pretty consistent for SA. Goes hard at the ball. Hasn’t really got the class of the better rated midfielders. Skills are good rather than great. It was a bit hard to line him up given SA didn’t perform all that well in its two Victorian games. Was in there best in all three champ games. He has played senior footy for Port in the SANFL. Pick 25 to 60. Patrick Dangerfield-188cm, 80kg-Geelong Falcons. Was played mainly as a tagger during the Champs and has played a bit of back pocket at times for Geelong. His is good by foot and has a good build for a midfielder. Plays tough and doesn’t mind getting a hard ball. Pace is pretty good. Pick 25 to 60. Ashley Arrowsmith – 188cm 82kg-Calder Cannons. Tall running wingman that has had a good year in the TAC Cup but was burnt at the stake during the champs. He was exposed for pace by the rampaging WA midfield. He is a very outside player who likes to find space and link in. His kicking is reliable rather than great. On his TAC form someone will pick him up. Pick 25 to 60. Aaron Joseph – 178cm, 75kg-Glenorchy Tas. Tasmania’s best midfielder who performed well at the Champs. He is good at the clearances and has good hands. Gets the ball inside 50 from the middle fairly often. Works really hard all day. Isn’t quick but he can hit targets. Pick 25 to 60 Andy Otten-192cm, 86kg-Oakleigh Chargers. Having a very good year in the TAC Cup where he has been used forward or back or on the wing. He is a real athlete with good skills. Has been averaging 27 possession a game for Oakleigh. Pick 25 to 60. Tom Frawley-186cm, 76kg-StMarys NT. Originally from North Ballarat Frawley is a pretty tall skinny winger. Has good run and pace is reasonable. He seemed to be a bit hit and miss with his kicking skills during the champs having one excellent day and one so so day in the two games I saw him play. Is very much an outside player who didn’t win much contested footy. Pick 30 to 60. Ryan Normington – 186cm,76kg-Murray Bushrangers. Didn’t have a great run at the Champs for Vic Country but the whole side didn’t go well either. His TAC Cup form has been pretty good. Plays in the middle and has good skills and works well as the link man. Not really a contested ball winner from what I have seen. Decision making is good. Pick 30 to 60. Ashley Hockey – 181cm, 78kg-Murray Bushrangers. Had a reasonable champs for Vic Country. Is one of those players who you would describe as doing everything ok but not a stand out in any one area. Has good foot skills and hits targets when he is in space. Pick 30 to 60. Jay Bowden-184cm, 74kg-Glenorchy TAS. Had to play a lot as a forward during the champs and is a strong mark and can kick goals. He was pretty good in the limited time he spent on the wing and in the middle. Skills are good. Pace is reasonable. Seems to make good decisions with the ball in his hands. Pick 30 to 60 Daniel Noy-188cm, 78kg-Eastern Rangers. He was flying early in the year before he got injured before the Nationals. Tallish running winger who can play inside and win the footy but is best suited to playing an outside role. Has good skills and a nice long kick. Pace is reasonably good and can take a nice mark. Pick 30 to 60. Brad Jones-181cm, 76kg-Eastern Rangers. Didn’t do a lot during the champs but has had sparkling form for Rangers during the year. He is a running machine who gets in and under and brings team mates into the game. Sometimes his kicking is a bit hit and miss usually when he tries to exceed his limitations. Good leader who can tackle and run forward and kick goals. Wins plenty of the footy. Pick 40 plus Trevor Oliver-181cm, 88kg-Waratah NT. Is actually an overage kid allowed to play for NT during the champs. Got plenty of the footy in the games I saw and had good skills. Looked able to move quickly when needed and was elusive in close. Pick 50 plus Luke Potts-177cm, 68kg-Dandenong Stingrays. Luke had a good time at the champs particularly as a small forward. There isn’t much off him but he can find the footy. In the few Dandenong games I have seen him play he tends to play behind the ball a lot gathering possessions and feeding it out well. His pace is ok but not super quick. Can play as a small forward and crumbs well. Wet weather skills where good during the champs. Pick 40 plus Kris Nye-174cm, 73kg- Eastern Rangers. Kris just missed selection for Vic Metro but has had outstanding form in the TAC Cup. He is out for the season now with a broken leg. Before his injury he was close to being the heart or the Rangers side. Hard running in and under rover who you can throw in the middle and he will get you back in the game. His pace is only average but is one of those players who knows how to get in space or move through traffic. His skills are ok but not silky smooth. It doesn’t stop him from hitting targets though. Good hands in close. The fact that he has been disappointing as a small forward probably cost him a spot for Vic Metro with the nod going to Potts. Pick 50 plus. Mitchell Farmer-179cm, 76kg-Calder Cannons. Played as a small defender a lot early during the year and was hard to rate as a midfielder but has ventured into the midfield a lot more in the latter half of the season. Rebounds well from defence and has good kicking skills. Seems to have a decent motor as he doesn’t stop running from defence.He has good enough pace. Hard to know where he may go due to back pockets not being overly popular in the draft but his late midfield form could see him move up some spots. Pick 20 to 50. Dane Zorko-176cm, 69kg-Broadbeach QLD. Not much of him but he goes pretty hard. Skills are pretty good and was probably Queensland’s second best midfielder. Pick 50 plus. Matthew Davis-187cm, 74kg-Mt Gravatt QLD. Tallish winger that has good pace and skills. In the two games I saw him play he used the footy well and got a reasonable amount of it. Pick 50 plus. James Polkinghorne-181cm, 82kg-Calder Cannons. Solid kid who didn’t really shine for Vic Metro. He tackles hard and can win the footy in close. Pace is average but he gets the job done in the TAC Cup. Uses the ball well and seems to give 100% all the time. Pick 40 plus. Rory Sloane-180cm, 75kg-Eastern Rangers. Has had good form for Rangers all year but has really stepped it up since Kris Nye got injured. Similar player to Jones. Pacey little running machine who has good kicking skills. Finds plenty of the footy and is good at the clearances. Pick 50 plus. Myke Cook-182cm, 76kg-Sandringham Dragons. Speedy midfielder who finds the footy well. Has a pretty long kick for a small bloke. Gets the ball in traffic and knows how to use his pace to avoid trouble. Leads up well and can kick a goal when playing half forward. Pick 40 plus. Brad Gilder-183cm, 84kg-Sandringham Dragons. Strong bodied midfielder who has pretty good foot skills. He is not really quick but he gets involved a lot and finds the footy well. Has good hands and composure. Pick 30 plus. Hugh Sandilands-191cm, 82kg-Oakleigh Chargers. Tallish midfielder who plays a bit outside. Can find the footy well. Skills are ok but he doesn’t always use them well. Can have games where he just throws the footy onto the boot. Pace is reasonable but not quick. Pick 30 plus. David Zaharakis-180cm, 70kg-Northern Knights. Bottom age kid who has played well on the wing this year. Has pace and a good right foot kick. Plays a bit outside but can find the footy in traffic. Has a very punchy kicking action that sees him kick the footy a fair way. Pick 20 to 60.

looks like palmer and morton are the standouts for endurance. I still like the idea of a mcginnity (tagger from WA), or Dangerfield as a smoky (pacy and good size). This Gourdis guy could be a good forward, fastest sprint over 20m and biggest vertical leap!

Yeah Tim Watson was drafted by the WC Eagles and didn't go. That was the PSD of course, dunno if its ever happened in the National Draft though.

Geez you can't half tell footy season's over, when we're critiquing journalists proof-reading skills

bumping this thread back up to the top of the list as its a very useful reference for the upcoming draft, would love to have this temporarily pinned as a sticky, mods?

Despite the 4-4 result on Monday night, I think you'll find Villa will cause a few surprises this year. Up the Villa!

Perhaps some kind of prizemoney enticement could be dangled in front of clubs for their final ladder positioning. If the difference in prize money for finishing 2nd bottom as opposed to wooden spoon was $1,000,000 I think you might see some of those teams languishing near the bottom competing harder to win instead of tanking for draft picks. What do people think of that?

Freo want in and unders this draft

:lol: :lol: :lol: Brilliant! This is certainly a twist in the Chris Judd tale isn't it? Perhaps a career as a psycho-thriller novelist beckons.