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Doesn't the wording of the question imply captain's can't vote their own team into the 8. So we have at least 1 other captain onside. Which seven other clubs do you think can make this year's top eight?

Geez, the posters who want to find fault with Goodwin at every turn. If you listen to his comments in full you will hear him mention the concussion issue as well. He may not be the best/good/poor coach but putting the boot into him like that doesn't add any credibility to the case against him.

I am always impressed by those who think they can distinguish (from the outside) some cultural problem from a simple lack of skills which are obvious to all who watch the game. No amount of culture will turn a team of unskilled players into a champion team.

Good grief. You don't think Goody was talking about a timescale of weeks, not years? But if he is out of touch, he is out of touch on everything I guess.

Do we have to poach him?

I think you missed my point OD. If the player is not in the team to play as a tag, then why would you put him in that role in a practice match. The aim of such games is not to win by closing down an oppo player (though nice if we do) but to try players in different roles. If someone is a designated tag player, then by all means get him to tag in a practice match.

Has any team used a practice match to hone a player's run-with skills? I doubt it.

Pretty useless explanation - no detail. Doesn’t even cover the example of the Essendon player turning his back the other day. Unless the word laterally has a new meaning. Hopefully it will become clear in actual consistent practice

I'm sure there will be mistakes, but I just fear they may be out of all proportion because this has not been thoroughly trialled, especially seeing what real coaches do to fiddle it in real matches. The questions I and others have raised don't seem to be answerable yet. That is unsatisfactory with the season only weeks away. I too would love more open footy (though I don't think we need much more scoring for the game to be a better spectacle) and hope this rule will achieve it. I just wish it had been trialled first. The AFL by their own admission are implying that the first few weeks of the season will effectively be the trial and they will tweak things as required. Supporters of a club which misses the finals because of some losses early in the season due to errors or uncertainties in this rule will doubtless be overjoyed by the improved spectacle.

The Jackson 6 posted this in another thread and it raised a question for me: How does the umpire decide which player is the man on the mark and therefore has to 'stand'? Presumably whoever is nearest. And does the umpire first direct him to where the mark actually is? I didn't see any clear evedence of this in the practice match. Say a 1 on 1 mark is taken, can the defeated player runaway to a legal position 5 m away before the umpire calls 'stand', at which point he won't be on the mark? Can the umpire call him back? Even if there is a man on the mark, it may well be worth another player (who would not otherwise run forward) to also man the mark but 5m away to where the man on the mark used to stand in recent years. This all seems poorly thought out and coaches cunning plans may cause it to be changed frequently, eg. the above poster's suggestion that he hopes the area is extended to 10m.

Thanks. When there is a rumour which turns out to be wrong it is good to know how it came about and to know it wasn't someone just stirring or being malicious.

I didn't notice anyone definitely believe it, really just hanging out for confirmation or hopefully dismissal. OD's not given to wild rumours and his posts were reasonable. Maybe though his source should be asked to provide coronory care for some of us older members.

Watching the game yesterday I had the impression players were reluctant to even approach where the mark actually was. They'd run towards the mark but stop often 5 or more metres short of where they were entitled to be. I don't know if is due to the new rule - can't think why it would be but..?

There is also a delay in the play-on call resulting from the fact umpires breathe - that affects when the words 'play-on' exit their mouths. As I don't get tired of saying (though some may well be tired of hearing), the solution is to let the player on the mark decide if the player with the ball has played on. If he gets it wrong the umpire can issue the penalty.

Lack of advertising slots.

Still totally bewildered how the AFL can make such a change without having trialled it somewhere other than a smoke filled room.

Yes, most people don't like change, and I expect you will agree that is not in itself an argument to support a specific proposed change. We see in this forum plenty of posts pointing out why this won't work (in various senses) and some saying the opposite. But how about actually trialling it in the VFL or wherever to see who is right first? If the AFL had nowhere to try things and had to rely on a theoretical analysis of possible pros and cons, then they'd have no choice but to either can the idea or just go for it. But they do have that choice and yet frequently just go ahead with finger crossed. I'm obviously conservative because before going on a 10km hike, I try on the new shoes I plan to use in the shop first.

But as I posted earlier, are they allowed to go back 5m? The rule reads like you are either on the actual mark or you are classified as one of the other players not allowed in the zone. Take a step back and you are one of the latter and in trouble. It's an insult to those who prepare breakfasts for dogs.

So 20.1.1(a) would seem to mean the player on the mark can't walk backwards after they take position on the mark, nor can they take up position 2m behind the mark initially. God knows how they get to the mark in the first place. If they take up position 5m back, will the umpire direct them to move forward to the mark, or pay a 50m penalty for being in the wrong spot, or do nothing. Surely it will not become compulsory to man the mark, so being back beyond 5m has to be legal. But say you are right next to the player who takes the mark or gets the free, so you are already standing on the mark. Can you walk backwards 5m? Of course these rules changes are just a cunning plot to create interest in the forthcoming season so we will be keen to see what hole the AFL have dug themselves into this time.

Has this new rule been tried in any league? And for long enough to see if coaches think up ways to derail whatever it is the rule is intended to achieve.

Quite often you see players doing that even before 2021. When players are not sure where the mark is they often concede several yards for fear of giving away a 50m. Under these new rules, will a player be penalized if they stand on the mark and walk backwards to be 5m beyond the mark? (Or if they aren't already on the mark, note where the ump says the mark is, and then retreat the required distance)

One thing you can be sure of is that the play-on call will usually be made too late, sufficiently after the player has played-on to give him an unfair advanatge. Yet again I say let the player on the mark make the judgement as to whether the player with the ball has played-on. If he gets it wrong, then impose a penalty.

Richardson explicitly stated that they chose him over other possible players because he would be ready to go early. So presumably they have some idea of his fitness.

In answer to your question: Nothing. Feb 4 plus weeks is Feb 18, not today (sorry to quibble over 1/2 a week). But I think that pushes your range to "round 2 unlikely, but 3 a possibility". Round 3 is not much different to round 4. And you have him regaining match fitness etc faster than most would assume. So 4 -6 was always on the cards.

That's what I understood. No way to stop the doomsayers from doomsaying.