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Oh... it's a strong point.... I saw your comment and I'm glad you don't care that people know you're a complete and utter liar..... I comprehend that just fine, Champ.

Of course its a done deal and of course a member of Carlton's leadership group is going to just tell some random about the deal.

I'm more interested in trying to trade for Mitch Thorp. Arrogant sunofabitch but he can seriously play.

Brad Green was pick 18 I'm pretty sure.

Look, I agree with much of what you're saying, I figured that it was a bit of a stretch claiming they had "no" talls outside of Richo and Simonds( Who I don't actually rate that highly ). Had you qualified your statement in your initial post and added the "Match Winning" part..... then sure. Reiwoldt will make it, Moore will make it, as will Thursfield. So they are not entirely bare of talls. I'd suspect at least 1 of those, probably Reiwoldt will need to stand up next year and kick 40-50 goals for the Tigers to be competitive with the top sides.

McGuane, Reiwoldt, Pattison, Thursfield and there is another young guy whos name escapes me, has been playing full back recently and doing a pretty good job....... are fairly handy "Developing" talls. I too dislike Wallace and Richmond but if you are going to slate them, its only fair to be accurate.... saying they only have 2 talls is a fair way off the mark and makes the poster look like an ill informed idiot. They are more advanced in the tall department than us...... Miller aside and he's only just.... we have zero tall goal kicking presence and they look handy down back... I like Thursfield... he's a real competitor and he's beginning to get a bit of bulk.... McGuane is a good dour defender, he'll keep getting better and Kelvin Moore is really starting to come on..... Like I said.... it pays to be accurate. Richmond are a fair way ahead of us.

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As much as I hate to admit it, Hannabal is spot on in this instance. Players from yesterday didn't have the sports science, training regimes or technology that players use to such fantastic advantage in the modern game. It is like comparing apples and oranges, you simply can't do it.

At present Gary Ablett is the best midfielder in the competition, both in statistically and with the impact he has on the game. Consistancy over the past few years means nothing when judging who is currently the best midfielder in '08.

Frawley is actually quiet athletic and has a decent amount of closing speed, so you're wrong on that account. His skill level isn't as bad as it actually looks, he has a diabolical kicking action but its actually rather effective. He also reads the play well, its just his decisions on when to go when not to go that need improvement. He needs to work on his strength and decision making is more the issue. Strength can be worked on, as can decision making. With game time and education, he could become a very solid footballer and probably a bloody good defender.

Just heard on Radio that Richard Pratt has been charged via summons for lying to the ACCC over price fixing allegations in 2005. The plot thickens, surely if true and convicted he isn't fit to hold a gaming licence or be President of a trading concern?

He was draft in the '06 National Draft and so is contracted for a minimum 2years, I don't remember reading whether he'd extended his stay or not.

I would hope thats not the case. 3rd and 4th rate defenders and he'd learn absolutely nothing.

We'd never get all 3. I'd give a first round pick for Warnock, I'd part with 17 or our second round pick, not sure how Freo would look at that, its an interesting one. I would love Prismall, good skills, gets the job done, doesn't have the speed we need but he is definately a quality midfielder, knows where to be and gets a heck of alot of footy. Davey....Essendon wouldn't part with him.

Read the paper on that one did you Rhino? He averages less than 10 hit outs per game, with a less than 17% tap to advantage rate. I know the next question you'll ask is how often is he sharked, well its roughly 12%. He is tall, he's 205cm and Weighs 96kg, yes he's mobile and his ball skills are nothing but bordering on average. He has fantastic potential but he has a long way to go to prove himself. His stats are generally generated against the 2nd ruckman so are probably not even up to the standard above. Yes he certainly has alot of upside and I'd be keen to get him on our list but a bit of clarity helps when assessing his current development. Maybe some homework wouldn't go astray ole trout. Oh and he's 21 Daneeman

Robert Warnock can head to another club for 500k per season. Anybody that fathoms paying 500k to a player that has played less than 20 games is absolutely deluded. I'd be loathe to offer him more than 275k per season, build in performance bonus' and you possibly may reach 350k if he plays outstandingly. Talk of paying him 500k is the biggest load of rubbish I've ever head.

I think you'll find we are paying some of Travis' pay packet but other than that, who in on our current list would be commanding any significant amount that once Yze, Neita and Robbo are out of the picture would leave us at or above 92.5??

They certainly can't do any worse than Craig Cameron has for the past decade. Abysmal springs to mind......

It's hard to look like a forward when Neita and Robbo were clogging it up. Our forward 50 often looks like a fat man's plate at a $5 all you can buffet, never much room there.

Thats a bit juvenile there Nasher. My point simply is, that Craig Cameron is a failure and a massive part of the reason we find ourselves sitting 16th and coming off a flogging at the hands of a side that is fair at best.

Fair to good with pick 15?? You're an easy marker Nasher, would you like to do my next PDR?

Craig Cameron's time in charge is looking more abhorrent than I'd ever suspected. Luke Molan, Steven Armstrong, Aaron Rogers, Daniel Bell, Nick Smith, Colin Sylvia, Ben Holland (Pick 21), Lynden Dunn, Moloney with pick 12??? acquired for Thompson, Byron with 28 and a shuffling of Draft Picks. Frawley with his diabolical disposal could well join this crowd. It is nothing short of bloody ugly, I doubt there would be another recruiter with that track record of epic fails.

David AND Donald Cockatoo Collins.

Is it retirement? They seem to think so.