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Yes he did play - can't say I paid much attention to his game, but I don't think he go a lot of it Tough day to play

Agree 100% - We didn't lose on Sat because of the umpires please understand that before you read my comments The umpiring interpritation for the current game is turning it in to netball - I guess the AFL wants more free flowing footy and less body use

Like Sellar this bloke will be handy if he can play well - I also think Jetta could be handy down back

Sellar 5 - wow

Interesting comments - Dawes took a juggling mark and hit up Howe on the lead in game 1 on the weekend - fair to say it's more then I've seen Martin do over his time at the Dees. Also his contest 1 v 3 which resulted in Sylvia offloading the ball to Howe wasn't bad either. Some people are not easily impressed I assume

I think your analysis of our first hitouts are spot on - still you're talking about practice (haha couldn't help myself)

Agreed - but if you look at Brisbane compared to the us the situationa are a lot different. Brisbane have a much more settled side and would probably know their best 22. I'd say the Dees wouldn't know who our best 22 are.... So in response to your statement Jumbo I think you'll see the Dees experimenting a lot until round 1 - is this a good thing??? I don't know but it is hard to judge after 1 (well 2 games but overall one) practice match PS That Allen Iverson clip is an NBA classic - and he was a gun

harsh - but I see your point Jumbo - a lot of same old from those 2

Agree P Man We shouldn't be too harsh off 1 practice match - I hope he can have a solid season.... On another highly criticised top pick - J Watts looks cherry ripe, I really do hope this bloke can shove it up a few this season A Question for you boys and girls - I know we lost Game 1 but i was happy to see Kent??? (I think it was him too many new blokes haha) go back and snag that goal even if we didn't win. I celebrated and said well done son What are your thoughts - I know J Watts had a crack at him for not passing for the 9 ptr but I thought he showed good compousre (especially after stuffing up his first shot)

Hard to not love the new boys - and Jimmy is all class If this bloke can win his own balll (on top of his beautiful ball use) we will have something very special

I am not going to give up on Pedo yet - He took a nice grab in the 2nd game (which was disallowed due to Davey striking Morris - i think it was??) Delivery to him was pretty average and first game in new colours - he needs time to work it all out I know I am re-opening old wounds but I was most disappointed with Sylvia - could put it down to first game back as well but only did one nice thing (pass to Howe in game 1)- stuggled to finish opportunities and seems to lack class. I won't give up on him just yet but at 27ish you could almost say a wasted talent

Under-rated post - very good

Wow - that is impressive Just wanted to post my love for this kid - I haven't been this impressed for a long time....

Helps if you can win the contested ball.......... we will struggle again in 2013 - boys are too young... Expect to be beaten in the possession count - we need to convert opportunities - hopefully a strong forward line will help us win games

Not fussed about resluts - clearly weaker side v the Tigers 4th qtr (2nd half v tigers) less upmiring involvement - liked it Boys 1st game up - so real positiives from the new boys. Long way to go, but I am still looking forward to the real stuff.... I will throw some random obervations out there McKenzie great off ball - terrible with ball Sylvia - 1 dimensional - hope he can prove me wrong Apart from that hard to take much else from the game - if you don't have love for J Hogan you are not human...

On a side note off my criticism of umpiring - like the look of Byrnes in the first game and N Jones looks good coming in to 2013

Haha yes I am blaming the umpires for the scores - i thought this was a discussion about the game - My observatoin is the umpires feel they need to get involved in the game and pay every small indescretion Obviously you rate over officiating

plus on top of that they are rookie umpiers so there were some poor decisions i thought - no harm done as it's fake footy And why waste the time with the score review???

It's frustrating when they pay free kicks they don't need to pay - maybe i've been listening to Sam Newman too long It's about the players not the umpires

Umpiring has been terrible - so many very very soft and techincal free kicks which ruin the play just let the boys play

Findings make no sense but I will be more disappointed if other clubs aren't punished Tiger - TW has admitted to not trying to win games Carlton - enough said Pies - Secured Daisy and Pendles the list goes on and we won't hear anything about it.......... That really gripes me

Thanks for the reports BB I'd just like to add that skill level this time of year is nothing to get too excited over - if it's round 3 and players are continully missing targets I'll start to worry then.

First up - I went a little overboard with my response to you earlier Fan - haha stating the obvious - I have no problem with a difference of opinion and I was tired so please excuse me Back on topic...... I understand what the TTP includes - i also understand the P&Ls can be manipulated. The point I poorly tired to make was I don't understand why your are implying the club is being fradulent towards the members when what you mention in your arguments are standard business practicE (I know you've mentioned it but i don't understand why you think it's a bad thing or unnacceptable in Footy) For example - Look at the media focus on football club 'Profits'. I would say it is negligent by the board to painting the club in a negative light in our current state - most punters don't understand the in's and out's of a Profit and Loss - but they understand a profit or loss. Have you ever tried to get finance from the bank??? You don't tell them the worst case scenario you show what is acheivable We are in a business of winning flags no argument there - and as I've stated earlier the MFC is no where the big clubs on or off field at the moment - so you'd expect the majority of our 'Revenue' to be invested back in to the Club and Football Department - So in this case just in the business of competing you wouldn't expect too many 'Profits' when we are continuely fighting for income.to fight with the best. I find the profit argument very dull and pointless because as you mentioned earlier Profits can be manipulated. Look at Currnet assets against liabilities if you want a quick guide on availability of cash... I am not saying I am happy with our current situation financially - and I know we as a club are a long way off being financially stable or safe. But to date there is no indicaton the club stuggling and we are funding a stronger football department, player development and educatoin - and as club we seem to be pulling together - that can't be all bad can it??? Just as a side note - as the MFC is a bottom feeder in the footy world - what is an acceptable performance in your opinion?? Anyway apologies again thank you for the sensible reply

I can guarantee you RR i have no political allegiance to anyone - All I want to see is a successful club an i dun give a *$#@ bout spellin I don’t understand the continual criticism on the board who I think as an outsider have done a great job in such a horrid year. I’ll admit I’ve gone about our conversation the wrong way RR i have made assumptions. Most of us know MFC is fighting for survival and the club relies heavily on membership revenue and donations from loyal supporters continually to compete and exist. YES as business model the MFC doesn't have a strong financial foundation to rely upon and is nowhere near levels of a Collingwood’s or WCE’s. I think blind Freddie can see the MFC is not in a position to compete financially with the top VIC or interstate clubs, there is no argument there. Hence why I am happy we have the means to be able to fund what we do now with minimal resources – surely that’s worth applauding? From posts I’ve had time to read you’ve talked about sustainability which I agree is a massive issue for our club and a lot of the other minnow clubs in VIC especially (you can throw in BL and Pooort if you like) Is the MFC a sustainable business model??? That is not an easy one line answer, as you point out I have missed many factors but I was trying to keep the discussion simple as there are too many variables, which include membership, sponsorship, AFL funding, MCC funding, gate takings etc etc etc You are correct in your statement that the FH income of $700k does mean we made a “Profit’ for 2012. But without seeing the financial statements and not discussing EVRY variable how can you conclude we would have not made a profit without this $700k – that has been my question to you RR which I have poorly tried to get across I just found reading this thread that a lot of statements were made without a lot of FACT to back them up? Have I offered a lot of fact... no, but I try to base my opinion on the mediaindusty opinion and board statement as I don't have the time to research everything– I am not saying I am 100% correct Finally for me the boards role is to maximise income so we can compete and survive – In my opinion (without being fully informed) the club is doing ok. And lastly - 80 -90% of all income earned (guessed off the top of my head from 2011 - and I will get the figures when they come out) is spent/invested back in to the FD or other Football related costs – How is the MFC not set up to fund football??? I will catch up with the rest of the thread later - have enjoyed the discussion so far

Do not disagree with any of this