Demonised

This.

Spread, spread, spread, spread, spread, spread, spread. They did and we didn't.

And that's one of the more amusing auto-censor moments I've seen.

Since Lever was injured, our back line hasn't been functioning as well as it could. Whatever changes are made must address this.

Agreed. That's why I had the proviso 'provided there is will from those in charge'.

With respect, it can change, provided there is will from those in charge. 1. Acknowledge that the phenomenon of parochial crowds is real. There is plenty of good, academic evidence to support this. 2. Train the umpires to resist crowd-based decision making through extensive and rigorous simulation programs. Those who fail get relegated to minor leagues.

For those with a historical perspective, we do have a Demon double Brownlow medallist - the extraordinary Ivor Warne-Smith. Surely he'd have a hand on third place.

Grundy constantly grabbed, manhandled and dragged Max down, and none of the umpires were fussed by it.

Brayshaw rarely seemed to be in for the centre bounces. After starring the last couple of weeks in this role, I found that strange.

I am Gawn!

'Still Woewodin!"

Three ravens on a fence there were, As black as black as black. Said one, 'Watch your defence, it's not all about attack.' 'Be sure to spread,' the second said, 'but keep one out the back.' 'The Blues aren't bad,' the third one said, 'they're sure to have a crack.' Talking birds upon a fence each with a football brain. Take their advice and perhaps today, The Dees will win again. Dees by 22 points.

What I'm taking away from this thread is that some people like one style of commentator and other people like a different style of commentator.

He's overthinking it at the moment. He's been given a role - no idea what - and he's not playing confidently or fluently. Same as a lot of our players.

True, but will get Brownlow votes nonetheless.

After their premiership win, Richmond supporters are pretty insufferable. I'd like to be insufferable, too, one day.

Keep an eye on the development of Harrison Petty. We could have a good one on our hands here.

The Hawks were the better side blah, blah, blah, but I couldn't believe the number of times that hacks off the ground, or fluky bounces, or wild punches out of packs landed in a Hawthorn lap. Incredible.

The Hawk I'm most worried about is Clarkson. I think he's a clever game day coach, while Goodwin is still learning. Clarkson might have a few tricks up his sleeve for first bounce and throughout the game.

For years, I've seen top teams play games against not so good teams, games where the not so good team does all right - but the top team eventually wins. Then, it's put down to 'undoubted quality', or 'talent under pressure' or just 'nous'. Top teams just continue to win games even when they play rubbish - and the lower teams can play really well and still lose to them. But when we have a game like last night, it's doom and gloom, highlighting our deficiencies and our lack of skill. I like to think we could be transitioning from a not so good team to a good team - and winning when we play badly. Yay.

After he kicked that pearler earlier, I had hopes.

A sign outside the members: 'No Cheeseboards'.

Two words I don't want to hear after Sunday's game: reality check.

Always thought he was an intelligent, perceptive and thoughtful ... Aargh, I can't keep it up! He's a try hard headline grabber!

A ten goal plus haul from someone, probably Hogan. It's been a long time since we've had a single player kick a swag of goals in a game.