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Dr G I dont mean adding another one of "those " types at all. They demonstrate that an early pick guarantees nothing if used by the wrong people. Sylvia is hardly a success. 10 odd years and we're effectively still waiting. Mclean , nothing special, had his moments , had as many dud days. Morton, afraid of his own shadow, Trengove, currently a pale imitation of the player we thought wed get. Toumpas, still in the garage being worked on despite being touted as ready to roll. Watts, last seen looking for a ticker. TS...no need to say anything. This only goes to show that we've been comprehensively shlt on so many fronts. But thats your reasoning for us NOT to get another pick ? its actually irrelevant to the situation ( those they are in themselves causal to it ) . What we really have is a that was then this is now situation. We know we stuffed up. Weve taken steps ( or rather had some built for us ) so we can change and do better with whatever we get, but even this changes nothing of the predicament we are in right NOW. A PP was about empowering the NOW, so we can be more competitive tomorrow. All that you say about fixing environments is right but that wont impact for years really. We need a shot in the arm NOW. Not as a reward for systematic failure but simply acknowledging that thats where we are atm. Teams like Sydney and Geelong have certainly done better but they also benefited from an uneven dispersal of assets as well as benefiitng from cheap f/s and pp's. What they did with them only goes to their culture..not validation of the pick itself. Do you penalise someone whos hungry simply because they manage to spill half the previous bowls given them ? They're still hungry and the solution is to give them something to eat, or they starve. How haughtilly self righteous of some to deny that meal.

Rhino , last time i looked im pretty sure Vlad still ran the show.

I would tend to agree with this view. Eddie is after all a showman ...he can dress things up a tad !! I do however concur with OD that in general Eddie isnt our enemy. Theres a long line in front of him

shhhhh!!!!!!

Rumours of him departing are I hope unwarranted. Roos seems more inclined to get players into roles and as such I think Chip will find the defense more settled and stable, let alone under ( hopefully ) less of a barrage. Very much a pillar down back.

We have a hammer, it may not be as big as others so we need to hit harder, smarter and more often than some. In my view every time some clown asks the leading question about all our 'aid" etc then the club must take him off at his /her ankles with a retort to the effect that all clubs are beneficiaries of 'aid' not just this club. Indeed many clubs benefit from lob sided fixturing etc. We stop letting these fools off with cheap unanswered put downs. We need to reeducate these nongs. Every time you dont correct them it only reinforces their view as being the reality. They are all used to us rolling over. its time to stop, time to bite back

The value of a pick is not like a currency whereby its rate is fixed to a particular market. Its all relevant to the year its used and how that years trade and drafting looks to play out. You get or make the best of it. To say neither Adams or Swallow is worth 2 may in a better scenario be quite right but is it value in terms of this years market ? Our needs are very here and now. Aish could well turn out a better player or he may not, we know of examples where the extrapolation falls over. we need players to stand along with Jones, Vines, Toumpas and possibly Cross to forge into an effective midfield and to so next season.. There are decent players in the 2nd round or even later in the first. Am happy to consider a decent trade for existing young B grade mid ( he could still get better also )

What many are seemingly either too happy to overlook or incapable of understanding is that this game is effectively played as much , if not more , off the field as it is on. Game day is but the tip of the berg, whats floating beneath carries more weight in what and how goes on in this league. Weve been practically non existent off filed in terms of this leagues administration, time to spark up, indeed arc up

waste of a jumper

Its all very well for some to adopt the " We didnt deserve a PP, we oughtnt need a PP, Im glad we didnt get a PP" and so on and so on type stances This all smacks of faux martyrdom and little appreciation of the reality that as some suggest, all well and good to suggest we learn to fish , but where and with what ? The PP is a mechanism for equalisation. Many things are contributory to how various teams benefit through out the season. we seem to get reamed at just about every occasion. For all the mouthing that Vlad Inc does about creating a fairer and more equitable league the actual actionings go in the totally opposite direction.. Whilst I agree we move on , for there is no other recourse anyway, I fail to understand all this bravado about time we need to stop leaning on picks and stand on our feet etc. If your leg is broken they splint or cast it. They support it til you CAN stand on your leg and work to rehabilitate it strength. Don't and you'll invariably result in a gummy leg and a person hobbling with a limp. That it who we are, the gimpy limpy club. The AFL throwing money at us is like plssing into a fire. It doesnt go to the root cause of the problem, that being its a very unequal league. This is where we need to direct efforts in future, at a club level as a member of this league ( let alone creator of it ) that we must nag, and lobby for anything and everything. We must object to anything anyone else gets and become strong and beligerent to anyone else's requests. The word is RUTHLESS. The first opportunity to be such is to raid and plunder anything that is or isnt nailed down. We rifle Sydney's young academy talent. we send them (SMFC) a thankyou, your choice as to how many fingers. When Colless or any other buffon gets stroppy, we get gnarly. We go on the front foot and smack them down. We remind anyone who listens as to the benefits these clubs get. time to stop being nice, time to kick these other clubs in the nuts and then kick them again for good measure and remind them we are but their creation. They want us tough and self reliant, no problem. They need not expect courtesy and kowtowing anymore then. Next stop Messendon.. Theyre down, lets foster an environment for WADA to [censored] them relentlessly. I really dont care if a player of ours is collateral.We need to be tougher than that. If we always look to the lowest common denominator we will be rewarded with it.. This club is supposedly connected to the big end of town. Time to throw some weight around. We've be the schoolyard bullies' kicking dog for far to long. Theres only ONE way to deal with Bullies and thats to give them the mightiest whack theyve ever enjoyed ( sic) and then whisper in their ear as they lay on the ground " if you get up....the next will be twice ans painful" Bugger queensbury rules and gentlemanly etiquette its time to get nasty with a few of these who would gladly see us hit by a truck once a week. We didnt get a pick, then no one ever does again. Next club to ask, kick them to the kerb with a less than gentle reminder; "remember us, remember how you voted" We deserved a PP as it was the most efficient path to this supposed new equality but we know thats a myth,an illusion created by the strong to placate the weak. Time to take this game back, its ours, lets remind all of that

disagree...A decent midfield would go more to dispelling that image and now it'll be harder to build one

I sense 2 will go on Swallow or Adams depending on who will deal. The dominoes have yet to start falling.

As I suggested elsewhere the value of this pick has gone up. We had a certain potential largesse ( of sorts ) had we had an accompanying PP . We dont. Use it wisely MFC . Thing is I think they will this time.

Its not even a valid question. We neednt have gone...lol

I think what a lot of people need to do is cast their suppositions and assumptions, prejudices and biases to the four winds and look at the event on its merits. Paul Roos ( in whom we trust lol ) who has a record of picking reasonably sound types thinks the lad ( BM) has some , no, not some, many , redeeming qualities and despite having have had no coaching experience to date has something that warrants hiring him in a newbie development role. Roos likes grooming and developing people. His track record isnt too shabby. Lets see how it goes, big of us huh !!! lol

sometimes more than one

Thats right Jack....you wont

Everyday in everyway another Journo f*#@!s it up !!

He is a morphing type lol. Hmm..hang on...pot, kettle... umm

discussing does not necessarily equate to acting upon

Safe travels Red...where'y'll be ?

Sue..Ben Hur would be B-H

well the milk's spilt and we move on nothing more to see here really. Bring on the silly season

What I now want to see is this club play with abandon ( sts) , but unerring guile , as it deals with up and coming trades and pinching of anything not tied down ( or even if...lol ) Roos, PJ et al....gloves are off