beelzebub

oh and as i didnt get a chance to fulfil l yesterdays ...heres as well

As dumbfounded as you Chookrat.

lol

Be more inclined to take notice of how Benny Boy is travelling at end of preseason not the first 5 mins of it. The FD seem to think he has something.

dont think he needs to worry about idiots walking through platform tunnels any more...lol

lol

Does Saty do Xmas gigs ??

lol...i picked 9th also

noted .... ( or is that snoted )

dont help him...let him wallow in his tees thats just weird OD...lol

cant take you seriously if you cant make up your mind!! sheesh !!

oops...got carried away !!

Dunno...I'm hoping for another 2 years personally !!

so ah back to counting.... 5

someone want a Countdown might not be what you were expecting..... I certainly wasn't...but .....WOW !! Now if they can get Daryl and the bird back on for Sat mornings to follow... and wife lets me out to get boozed on a friday night so Im watching with hangover like I sued to.. http://thunderbirds.com/

Evans retires good luck mate

Essendon’s anti-doping hearing could be delayed after a dispute over access to evidence"A DISPUTE over access to evidence could delay the start of the Essendon doping hearings until January." Oh dear Dont the new penalties come into force in Jan ???

I dont

It truly seems as though many an Essendon supporter is infected with something. otherwise intelligent and reasoned people come out with some of the most unbelievable bs in their support of Hird etc. A curious constant though is an almost perfect inability to understand the workings of ASADA and who is actually beholding upon to prove what. Even my step son..a very clever lad was taken aback and dumbfounded when it was suggested to him that it wasnt ASADA who needed to prove guilt, but the players and EFC who needed to prove innocence. That seriously played with his head lol. He dint quite understand. I asked was he familiar which the French system of Law ( Inquisitorial ) and the Napoleonic Code etc. He said no..I said he's about to !!

Of course.....I..R..already have in hand OD

Sue > I honestly think that theres a difference. Many can understand the idea that money makes things happen. It surrounds us all in day to day life. Does that necessarily prevent you from aspiring to whatever it is you wish ? I doubt it. Money is something akin to a vehicle , or more closely a fuel in lifes little journey. I dont hink that in itself is an impediment to following, viewing, attending and supporting either your team or the game in general. Its life. Cheating however isnt condoned in society. Some will always try it on, its part of the human condition as it were. That it happens is one thing, but for it to effectively be endorsed by way of inappropriate action or a lack of diligence in seeking to address it I think will have a different effect on the games following. I disagree that we would ALL be a 'whatever it takes culture" I can accept that teh bloke down teh road has a higher paying job , or pricier house or gets to travel 6 months a year etc...all those things that money can do etc. But I wont accept that he can walk up to me and steal what is mine, or could be. Two very different things

An element to all of this I find, well, quite hilarious, is the lengths the players are going to to hide their identities in all of this. I mean there are millions of current Essendon players so no one will figure it out when, 1) said players disappear off the grid and just coincidentally arent out there playing footy and 2) have their names plastered all over the ASADA Register of Findings as having incurred penalties (sanctions) As with so much of this it seems very little was thought through with any logic.I'm not sure if I'm in the minority or otherwise and I really couldn't care less but I have very little sympathy, if any, for the players concerned. Whilst they are obviously counted amongst the less sharp of a tool shed ( they have to be ) and maybe they weren't fully across what was happening ( but its beholding upon them to be so ) they have had ample opportunity to revisit all of this and come to a more reasoned standpoint and understanding that they have participated in a program that sought unfair advantage otherwise known as cheating. They need to own this.Not saying they'd be proud to do so but we all stuff up, wittingly and otherwise and its how you deal with that that shapes character. They keep wanting to tilt at the windmill, to deny what has obviously happened , to hope for a technicality to release them free them from this need to be accountable. They pray for the get out of jail card. None of this speaks to remorse or ownership of their folly. One off events might attract some leniency but this was systemic. This was a concerted effort to rort the fairness of the game, this is a serial offence. I thoroughly hope that the Tribunal takes this into account. This is not not a can of drink inadvertently consumed it was a deceit that the players must have invested of themselves. Quite frankly all concerned should just be banned, and Im not talking for a year. To this end the AFLPA should be behind ASADA as this would indicate to their association's members that they are pro doing the right thing and if you do you will be backed. Currently this amateur bunch of nuff nuffs are sending all the wrong signals. Whilst they could provide access to advise and even representation its the stance that's all wrong. Seems the AFLPA are just as morally bankrupt as many of the AFL itself. My sympathies go to the thousands of sporting people who do the right thing and take pains to ensure they are even when dodgy advice seems to work against them. EFC entered into a Faustian deal and they can pay up.The AFL might want to tread ever so carefully as I think its totally misreading the standpoint of much of the game's public. If they dont bring in the correct and just finding then just watch the grassroots support fade away, Watch as mums and dads question whether they want little Jonny or Abi to participate in Auskick, watch as a 'decent' percentage of a probably somewhat older audience move to distance themselves from the now corrupt game. If theres even a sniff of the idea that its now about he who cheats best wins then thousands will abandon the game at this level. I think the AFL might indeed lean more towards the right outcome but im not convinced it will be for the right reasons.