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fair to say a whole different set of circumstnace and opportunity. Dons made finals..he might be attracted by that

funny how we ( any number of people) see things differently Im the reverse here. I think fundamentally the essential players are actually here already for a decent forward line. Hogan, Jeffy ( though needs a rocket at times ) Milkshake , Hannan , Pedo McDonald T. A few lads like Weed and Johnstone to come in at some point when more capable. Harmes might improve I see the HOW we play forward ans more the thing to be bettered. We dont do thi swell..it seems rather adhock. if there IS style and plans here it's escaping this viewer. I see two areas of concern though with defence. We have no capacity to stem king tides when opposition decide to run the gauntlet of the corridor. Zones work to areas and fail down the guts ( imho ) . Also the 'rearguard press is fallible if your opponent has the capacity to back themselves going "over the top" Here you need the abilty to quickly shut down players as well as deny passage and the ball. Zoning is akin to spectator football in this respect and if caught out wrong footed by the ball flying over your head its too little too late afterwards. Here , thats us, Dees, need better tools of defence. We need the ability to teach players to identify the nature of incursion and automatically adapt. If a fwd needs manning up it needs to be done pronto.Currently we are very good at watching the other team mark a ball!! Do we have the manpower on board to do this right at the moment..Not how player X or Y might be in 25 games time...but now. No ..by my calcs we are 2 short of the ideal. We need a Lever type...we also need a REAL FB. Now this might surprise some but I reckon with another 5-7 kg and a change in role good ol Oscar could do this. It would in some fashion be a simpler if arduous role. Leave it to the Hibberds and Levers to cut off supply , intercept and set up Hunt for the reversed assault . If not Oscar..then 'someone' imported. Happy to have differing thoughts here Old oh..addendum. Some will straight away scream Watts !! I actually see him as neither a fwd or a back..Id like to see him develop as some sort of winger/come outside mid. A link man who CAN go fwd..who is excellent at disposal , is a better mark when not so quite congested in traffic and is the most reliable of any demon with a ball in front of the sticks anywhere up to 55m out. But he doesnt need to be a FWD to do this..just my opinion

The defence isnt tight. On good days the mids keep the ball going the right way and all is well. On days when we play teams that like to play the lines our style and capability of defence has some hope of corralling or just knocking over the line. For all the fawning over a wonderful zone tactic it is in reality just old school defending. Where we get split open and made to look as inept as the structures would provide is where oppositions have the temerity, the unmitigated gall to play the corridor. To this observer zones CAN NOT work then as there is nothing per se to protect. It becomes about the man and we don't man up. This IS why when other teams twig they can kick to a presenting fwd..or tall timber because they won't/can't be owned by our defence. Its not designed to. This is why the Levers of this game becone crucial. Theyre spoilers. They can mark when able and are good thinkers/ decision makers. Hibberd.. gem. Hard to fault. Cant do everything ( but tries ) Jetta. A rock. Almost unbeatable but gets pantsed when he has to take on someone with 300mm on him. ( But tries valiantly ) Hunt. Hot and cold rebounding/attack . When ON...wow...when not...where is he. He's young and will get better abd wiser. Fun times ahead. TMac...not a back.. as others rightly suggest DN ver 2.018 onwards Oscar Oscar Oscar. Dont think...do. Thinking is NOT your forte. Has got better. Doing some things well. Will do better with more experienced players beside him. Frosty. Exciting, but incons. Raw with potential. Floats between hero and nqr. Is really either depth or trade currency. Milkshake...see Tommy. Go forward. Might he be outside mid potential. Salem. Just needs to be FIT and WELL reallt. Be wonderful for him and us Vince...please leave it to the backs...just go annoy someone Lewis....am happy for him to drift through the back etc organising others where needed and taking those clutch moment marks. I think the defence needs rethinking. Current plan nqr !!

This is what I thought, until last sat.

Tbh. Im curious how Lever fits in if folk are wanting to keep the Backend as it is. I don't see how that works. Something/someone gives. Surely

think I might indulge actually....where's the Capt Morgan ???

Ok heres the thing. this thread was created to be a refuge from mentioning HWSNBN...and comfort lounge away from all the bullshlt. Hnece it's name I propose we have a moratorium on mentioning thing anything about the MFC as there's no bigger can of bullshlt that it right atm !! Hows the banana crops going ??

I know its a Melb thing, brothers , but is it about sets or best fit/available ?

Adelaide aren't in the box seat here perhaps !

I have nothing to base this upon. I'm wondering who's more interested in whom ? Who instigated what ? ?

I don't think in the context of this discussion that many over-rate Frosty. In the main Id think most would accept that he's still a bit raw, still more potential than 'delivered' but that all in all he's shown promise combined with a touch of verve. He's not there by a long shot.. but he might get there. Then you have Lever, who has indeed "arrived" and all things equal can only get better still. If we are to land Lever what is the currency to do so ? Most folk here , myself included, think Frosty might be part of that. If so..such is life, if not...such is life

Dee-licious i was accused elsewhere of dabbling in sense; you however just served up a meal of it. As always it's about list improvement and the means and wherewithal to do so. That we've had a sort of history with Lever is very relevant. If he turns around to the Crows and says he's on the bus (sts) to Aami park ..get it done..then we only need to requate with something acceptable, not necessarily what Adelaide might really want. That seems to be the go these days.

We all love a happy ending ( to a good story )

No, no...all chance frittered away

You have no idea how spooky that is. Driving past a week or so ago i laughed to wife how dodgy that place looked/sounded. She's on a road trip with her three sisters but as it happens had just sent through a link to that article via messenger. How bizarre lol

Many things to like about this . Can't see it happen, but i like it.

Vote for Pig ... or not... http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-08-22/afl-fan-awards-vote-for-best-defender

We seem to be everyone's destination club now

well...if he joins us, let's hope not and if he doesn't...let's hope so !!

Yes. He's in a better side. Conversely the side is better for him being in it. The comparison is there because quite simply it is. It's been part of this discussion for along while and is nothing new. Part of the Omac critique over the journey was to compare him to the likes of Lever even before it seemed a possibility that Lever may indeed be on our radar and a possible get. At this point it gained another dimension. It would , I agree , be more than likely that Omac will develop into a role somewhat augmented than the one he is charged with currently. He sort of needs to. Lever is already quite accomplished. I see no reason why he would plateau.

Possibly a little too succinctly. STMJ ..whilst possibly overstating his position is right to suggest its not just better...but more a case of chalk and cheese. That's all

That is fair appraisal Its also fair actually to acknowledge that these two are particularly comparable.

Yeah........

RIP Harry....Al things being equal...you could umpire a game fairly. Seems a long lost talent

Gee I don't know. This thread is supposed to be salvation from HWCBN and Bullshlt. This time of year nearly all talk re footy and MFC turns to BS ( more so than usual ) Nowhere to relax now