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There are established kids who bring more to the game. That's the point.

How bout we simply get a mid ,or two, that knows what to do ?

The impact to his possible market value is of course real. I personally don't think that would figure largely in the case of his likely suitor(s). The notion of him being traded, or simply going home is as old as his AFL career. I.e..not all that sudden an idea.

Funny ... in a fashion, in this thread some sanity prevails and a reasonable discussion of the good/bad/ otherwise of Hogan even allows the floating of the idea he play HB. Elsewhere it's lampooned. I never quite got that. Tmac was a fwd when younger. Indeed when drafted ( iirc) it was to play fwd. For whatever reason that didn't last long and he played down back ... until the clever idea of moving him forward. Hogan was a back. Might explain his god awful approach in kicking So why would you not think it a possibility to play him there. But ... he was brought here ( Dees ) to kick goals. His effectiveness is severely reduced against decent opposition who have worked out how to nueter him. Net result those games ... not a lot really. Games against less capable opposition he can/not-always have a day out. Could be argued that anyone could kick those goals. So is Hogan of any profound use only then ? This is where some, and I agree, think that Hogan's value to us may be best realised ... not playing for us. Many folk are now simply trying to find where to put him. For mine it's the trade table. Not because I don't think he can play. He can. I just don't think he's the 'result' we were all hoping for.

Meanwhile back at the ranch... I noted an article ( behind paywall...but quickly read at cafe ) ..Jay Clark HS ..other day writing along lines some here ( myself included ) suggest as to are we better/ worse ..with or without Jesse and what is his actual value...is ..as player...or tradable asset ? Almost like he read this thread ?? I still think it's a valid question deserving of more than dismissive rhetoric. Is he necessary to a flag ? I don't think as much as what his worth might get in some A mid(s) etc.

We certainly do. In fact the 'elephant' of questions is: do we set up and play better without him ? I know such a notion is heresy among some but it's certainly crossed my mind. So just for a moment if we put aside the debate of whether he's good bad or otherwise do we simply play a more winning style without Jesse ? Had he been available where would he have played yesterday...and to what benefit ? Bit of a sliding doors conundrum.

@Red and Bluebeard Seems I owe you a banana smoothie

But only when a center bounce occurs . At other times and position the dynamic changes.

That's ominous .... hmmmm

Yes and no. In cricket the immediate area of competition is exactly the same. I really can't think of anything else where the ambiguity of the ball combined with differing dynamics of varying space applies.

Welcome to sanctuary. We try to keep the outside world ( the nasty footy ) at bay....alas a few drop the ball and bring it in here but in the main it's fairly calm. It helps if you appreciate bananas

Has Lynch actually signed anything ?

Doesn't a Brayshaw run North ???

If he goes to Nought ..... he'll be good for nothing......

can you make your own way over to perth ??

you available this weekend ?

"The news that Jesse Hogan is out of contention to play with the Demons until 2019 after suffering a foot injury during their nine-point loss to the Swans at the MCG last Sunday might have sent feelings of shock and aware through the community of Demon supporters but I’m not overly concerned about the fact that the club’s key forward will be sidelined for the rest of the season. The reason why is that Melbourne seems to produce its best wins without Hogan in the team" Food for thought ...surely !!

it was Coburg !! you or I might have snagged a few against this lot !!?

Thankyou. Some sense

Please ... he's no Neeta. Neeta could kick ..and from 50-60 out....when it mattered.

I for one certainly am not suggesting he doesn't have a crack. It's just not particularly effectual.

The state of play : We are more concerned a out how Weed can counter the likes of McGovern. Think about just how arze about that really is.

For mine the sheer idea we need to consider Weed at this make/break juncture just highlights our limited fwd structure options. Any which way people are purely guessing anyone is capable of slotting in up fwd and doing anything of note. I don't think the Weed is really ready for this. Id consider Pedersen a much better option...but he's been playing down back. That said I'm not convinced he'd suddenly forget how to play the fwd arc. If the weed wants to try fresh fields... sayonara and best of luck. No real loss in my book.

Yeah....nah

Is there a time table for this ? To me the essence of all of this is will Hogan ever consistently be ...not injured...in form...in right mindspace...is ...fulfilling the potential/idea-of-player-people-think-he-is as opposed now. I'm more concerned...impressed that...he can hit the side of a barn against decent opposition....than split the flags on a slalom run.