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Try landing at Lukla

Game has evolved...get rid of runners....get rid of half the umps out there too

Not much ?? No room !! Everyone is playing ' blink' now. We need to win...win...win... Every game we lose from here on makes it doubly hard / likely thereafter. If we lose these next two....? ☹️☹️☹️ Any more injuries....not good. If we haven't won 14... it'll be a major struggle.....even if we do fall in. Others have said....those games we lost...that we should not have....coming back to gnaw on our behind now. Put up or shut up time for the club.

Some see forests...some trees. Finals are not the end all....though they end all too soon for some. Finals are but a means to an end. If by chance your inference of b/w infers I see the game as winning/ losing then in the main you're correct. Though isn't any game that's scored about winning/losing. I enjoy the spectacle of us playing well, but I want to win. I want us to be successful. I want us to win Premierships. In the meantime many seem content among the nuances. Win...lose.... it's actually a very b/w notion....even for us Red and Blue.

You and those with similar view to finals seem to be fixated with this notion it's about DESERVING to play finals. Fine ...enjoy basking in the limelight. It's not about DESERVING. Anyone who makes it there has done just that.....but ONLY that. Made it into the finals. It's totally irrelevant if you're incapable of actually competing in them meaningfully. Finals is NOTHING. PREMIERSHIPs are everything. Be satisfied with 'deserving' We have a very different metric of success.

I think some need a dose of clarity come understanding September. The goal of any club is to win the premiership. To do so you must be in the finals , but that alone means nothing. It just gets you a seat on the bus. If your form going in is so-so it's rare that it improves. Invariably those who make up the numbers are the first victims of the September cull. Other than getting to play another game there's not much to shout about. You need to be going into finals with form, with as full a list as possible....and with fanatical endeavour. Finals isn't a goal...it's a path. A slippery path. If you're not in the business end of September then you've no real business being there.

Very much so. There's two things as outcomes ( for mine ) 1) how savvy the team is if coached well. Do they play with verve and gusto ( or .... ) 2) simply wins/ losses The second decides fate for 2018 The prior decides fate of those carrying out the club's efforts .

14 wins >>>most likely 5th or 6th. Do that ... you're in the game. Anything else this year....nada gunna go very far. That's just the reality. With pig out . Todd jnr out....others...who knows... We are unlikely to trouble anyone of note. ( I'm not a fan of KoolAid )

Lol...so you want to fall back into the 8...then get your botty summarily spanked on the way out again ? If you've only won 12...well you haven't beaten any other contender most likely. If we haven't won 14...we haven't really done squat.

Sorry to single you out Jaded...as I don't mean to. However the wording of your last sentence resonates as it's seemingly a theme among many. I speak of the idea that Jones, having carried the burden , as it were, for many seasons, is now afforded the most golden of tickets ? Is this what people seriously suggest ? He did ALL that ...so get off his back when he's having a less than brilliant patch ? Bernie lowered his colours...back to the Magoos , but there's in reality no checking possible with Nathan. I sense he's carrying a niggle again. If we're really to consider ourselves ( MFC) a professional outfit...all are accountable... equally... surely.

My.... aren't we clever at Melbourne !!!??? Memo to Mr Pert.....have a good looky look at the FD when you get here ??

It's now a game of 'blink'

All we need to do is channel the Dees of '87 ( Except that bit with #11 ??)

You are among the most hypocritical condescending on this forum. You don't like tomatoes...you redescribe them and call them potatoes. Someone wants to discuss a player...but not in your manner of approval then we're all potting them. Quite frankly what you consider worthy or otherwise is not the measure of what everyone else might. You don't want to discuss Jones...in his own right. Fine. But please cease with your almighty idea anyone really cares or that YOU are the arbiter of this or anything here. We are a group. And at the moment the group is discussing Jones...in any number of views. You're welcome to contribute or not. Not because I or anyone says or thinks so...but because it's a group discussion. Feel free to leave it

Yes the subject is Jones...the context of the op used that game as a point of reference but any reasonable discussion will go beyond that for balance. The topic is Jones It's not hard to see. Everyone else has. Cheers

That's your vote.. that's ok Others think it's warranted...as we're discussing Jones...not the Dogs game..that has its own parameters surely. Just as we might discuss any player in isolation...so do we Jonesy here. I don't see a problem in that.

I'm not thinking this is anything good ...either way.

Ah...the crux. It's not that anyone particularly suggested dropping him atm....as I see it. It's more that he's seen by many as not being subjected to the same litmus. This is where it gets murky.

Obituary ?? More just spectating a reality. No player is beyond scrutiny. Deep down we all just want the best players we have available ...playing. I'm not a fan of players taking the field injured or I'll. I've never known anyone to heal or recuperate whilst exerting strenuously. Playing form players is I'd rather have thought crucial at this time of the year. How do you see Jones currently RPFC ?

Indeed. No one dare drop the ball ..sts

I'm just clarifying things for those not of the Manor

Mr Manor...I actually concur. It's not a head many seek in reality....just that he is but mortal. And like the other mortals on a team sheet should be judged upon merit...and well-being. Should he suffer form lapses ...or be set upon by a lurgy...he must be judged as an other. It appears to this bench warmer that to suggest such reasonable direction is to have ones card marked ' off to the gallows' He's not the Messiah you know

Won't have played enough games and taken the choccies. He'll be similar..imho...to Hogan. Obviously good...but that AA possie will go to someone (s) with better,longer, more consistent seasons.

Totally agree @H_T The blubbering rhetoric that bubbles to the frothy top is lamentable. Fancy wanting the very best for the club !! Every dog has their day but they don't last forever. Time rumbles past.

There comes a time ... It ain't THAT far away in all respects.