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There are established kids who bring more to the game. That's the point.

How bout we simply get a mid ,or two, that knows what to do ?

The impact to his possible market value is of course real. I personally don't think that would figure largely in the case of his likely suitor(s). The notion of him being traded, or simply going home is as old as his AFL career. I.e..not all that sudden an idea.

Funny ... in a fashion, in this thread some sanity prevails and a reasonable discussion of the good/bad/ otherwise of Hogan even allows the floating of the idea he play HB. Elsewhere it's lampooned. I never quite got that. Tmac was a fwd when younger. Indeed when drafted ( iirc) it was to play fwd. For whatever reason that didn't last long and he played down back ... until the clever idea of moving him forward. Hogan was a back. Might explain his god awful approach in kicking So why would you not think it a possibility to play him there. But ... he was brought here ( Dees ) to kick goals. His effectiveness is severely reduced against decent opposition who have worked out how to nueter him. Net result those games ... not a lot really. Games against less capable opposition he can/not-always have a day out. Could be argued that anyone could kick those goals. So is Hogan of any profound use only then ? This is where some, and I agree, think that Hogan's value to us may be best realised ... not playing for us. Many folk are now simply trying to find where to put him. For mine it's the trade table. Not because I don't think he can play. He can. I just don't think he's the 'result' we were all hoping for.

Meanwhile back at the ranch... I noted an article ( behind paywall...but quickly read at cafe ) ..Jay Clark HS ..other day writing along lines some here ( myself included ) suggest as to are we better/ worse ..with or without Jesse and what is his actual value...is ..as player...or tradable asset ? Almost like he read this thread ?? I still think it's a valid question deserving of more than dismissive rhetoric. Is he necessary to a flag ? I don't think as much as what his worth might get in some A mid(s) etc.

I'd love to know how they actually determine those numbers. Criteria ? Sample etc. Ouija board ?

Depends what you're supporting. And then there's the classic divide really. Is the glass half full...or half empty ? It's asked in a manner which suggests either or....but not both. The truth is something at 50% is both (half full and half empty ) it just depends on your reference point So it is with adjudicating success and failures. I'd suggest any number of opinions/ views/ standpoints can exist simultaneously with all/none/ some having validity. It's also very possible that you can be critical and supportive. They're not mutually independent. If something is working at 80% ability/ efficiency/ results then it's entirely reasonable to want the extra 20 and bemoan fault, especially glaring and highlight perceived causes.. Anything that hasn't achieved maximum...is mediocre. And that's not good enough to win Premierships. I acknowledge you can also commend the rising from 50% to 80 ( or whatever ) ...but thats not ( for mine ) the goal . The goal is to win...and especially one particular game. Getting there needs skill ,determination , application and design. I support anything that improves that and also disapprove that which doesn't.. On the subject of Barracking however; I'm Melbourne , I'm Melbourne through and through

I think some need to ease up on the Koolaid or whatever they're imbibing and start understanding that there are NO RULES to supporting. If the manner that some do either offends or whatever...then I suggest to these Princesses they just suck it up. Works both ways...some find it nauseating that mediocrity is not only condoned...it's actually encouraged by some. This is a world of differing views. Football is no different, why should it be. Probably the only time it somewhat aligns is when things go swimmingly. Even then some will choose an ale...others a Red and Cheese. Nothing wrong with either or anything in between. Some want to own the narrative. You don't. Live with it.

Nearly vomited.... might still.

Again...the blood rule was a kneejerk response at the time of the HIV pandamonium. We now understand the risks and nature of transferring such a lot better. Still in last century

To answer the op How CAN you rig a game ? Seriously. The various lines of structure to cover ( from leaking the secret )...seems incredulous imho

Wasn't the Blood Rule brought in during that Grin Reaper era ? We can probably move on now. Good question DC

And the sanctimonious will be sanctimonious..and no one does it quite like you. We all enjoy following Melbourne...in our own manners and capacities. We don't need, and I certainly don't care to be lectured. Go Dees

What a thread... How to suck eggs 101 for Demons... Ffs ...some have a hide.

Funniest thread in a long time ?

You get a stipend from the club mate ?

I counter... he's not reasonable at all as he simply thinks his opinion more relevant. Bloke has more tickets on himself than Capper

Was it rigged ? ummm No.

The AFL , especially under the Dill, have totally lost the plot.

We certainly do. In fact the 'elephant' of questions is: do we set up and play better without him ? I know such a notion is heresy among some but it's certainly crossed my mind. So just for a moment if we put aside the debate of whether he's good bad or otherwise do we simply play a more winning style without Jesse ? Had he been available where would he have played yesterday...and to what benefit ? Bit of a sliding doors conundrum.

@Red and Bluebeard Seems I owe you a banana smoothie

Very happy to eat humble pie . Was wrong about today's outcome. Well done Dees Poi tastes good

I hope he has 21 mates

And our game plan has achieved exactly what it can. It demolished inept opposition...and stalls against anyone knowing what they are doing. Footballs equivalent of the Peter principle...in a fashion.

Just for discussion's sake limp into finals...on back of 3 losses...not actually having any real momentum... meeting teams we have NOT beaten...having to step up to finals tempo ? Not a good recipe I think.