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My final position on this....you seem to enjoy the interchangability to suit your own views come preference and absolutes. You continue with concept ( as example ) of cameos ..and thats never been the profered view..only yours. Its somewhat redundant sayng things will take time..what doesnt. Again..well just have to disagree

Jamar is limited in scope really to rucking..and he's only average in that. Capable..but average. Warnock coming in would supplant Jamar rendering him somewhat limited in usefullness. PJ has far more strings to his bow. Why would anyone rather rid our selves of a more multi talented player in favour of a limited one. Both may attract limited interest on the trade table but id keep PJ in a blink in preference to Jamar. With Warnock as posibly a new #1 ruck..PJ fills a pinch hit role well.. Jamar doesnt.

Its not my misrepreseantation. Im simply restating YOUR OWN WORDS.. So please tell me how that can be. You have a nice knack of grandiosing until someone happens to have a different view. Different views are fine. It is after all what make for discussion. However im sure Im not the only one to notice you are happy to duck and weave when it suits you.. Why..do yo not agree with , again ..you own words. They were hardly out of context..as I left them complete. And I am disagreeing with you..but again you ability to grasp some of the simpler nuances is lost..Not to some of us though. Now so we all understand exactly what you mean ( in case you dont ) . Your stance is that kids will inexorably be guided in ther followings by winnng as opposed to losing ? My stance is there are far more issues and that a keen alliance can be formed by association with people ( players ) that transcends the simple win/lose outlook.

Oh revered one.. these are your words arent they ??? What is there to misunderstand about what you are saying ?? I dont need to put words in your mouth or miscontrue...you are adept at it all by yourself !! So again..your wisdom is kids are all about winning. Many of us diasgree.

Bit like the boy who cried wolf !!! The kharma fairy comes to visit Adem . Some of us can remember the stuffing around he gave us in the past...Please.. dont bother passing the tissues this way!! He's entitled to a good future where ever he goes.. hes not entitled to anything else from this supporter Thanks mate...happy days......next !!

Oh thankyou..I feel so much better knowing visionaries as yourself are around. when it increases from the narrow 15deg..please inform the rest of us...we'll sleep even sounder Its never been proffered that improvements and results from invested efforts by the club wouldnt take time. It also seems an unwarranted assumption that the club ( MFc ) would necessarily follow any token path taken before. i get the distinct impression ( warning personal inference ) that Connolly and indeed the whole club now understand that is needs to be relevent to a 'community " in order to sustain its existance. This community is obviously its membership. They know it needs to be grown and things grow from seeds. This is, again as I understand it, the core rationale of expanding its sphere of influence beyond the CBD. There is the simple practicality of Casey.. but i suspect this is only a part of the vison that Melbourne has in this area. This is not to say that MFC are placing all its hopes in one basket..but adding a basket to its inventory. And NO You were quite happy to make much of kids only being interested in Winners..you said it wear it.

This I think is very relevent. The "perception" Its along these lines I think much will be achieved. i.e Melbourne appearing to be doing things in a positve and forward manner..Winning would be icing. If kids are exposed to a positive experience of the club etc then this builds a trust in which the kids are able to invest in.

Keep in mind Lethal's idea of passion was to take out players !! I'll treat anything he says with a little more than a pinch of salt thankyou !!

Look I think the whole fiasco of the expansion as is perfomed currently by Vlad and Co is laughable. Its expansion at all costs. .damned be any feedback..damned be any common sense.. damned be any listening to due dilligence etc. Yes I see the point that "how to make friends" is NOT to go treading on toes !! This will really garner a ground swell of grass roots support locally. lol You can just imagine the local pundiits and lay politicians going gang busters in the press etc. This will not be an easy or popular introduction of the code. Where does Vlad get his ideas from.. 'Poland 101" ??? Still once you have the precendent of a team playing "small attendance games at a Non Blockbuster venue.. it might be hard to argue against it for other participants one would think !! Hell, Geelong get away with it perpetually !!

Mate you started it.. now you back away..intersting Now youre getting ultra simplistic..and further distancing yourslef . And you think Im cliche !! Who has ever suggested one off cameos?? YOU !!!!!!!!!! Do you ever bother to read ?? You really want your toast buttered on both sides dont you. If you conced the Casey iniative then try to acknowledge how that pertains to the over all community involvment that might ensue. Some of us see the big picture..some just pick the bits that suit. Are you now seeing the big picture ??

what utter crap !! Someone offer another view and it doesnt suit your stance ..fine.. Youre the one proffering the idea that kids support winners..then dismiss its importance..Want it both ways ?? Again you choose selctively isolated occurence to back your view. What many of us are suggestign is that should the Club move into the area in the capacity of some training, predominanantly Summer and occasional other times, that if an allignment is formed with the Scorps and a campaign is undertaken to fly the flag with visitations etc through schools programs etc tyhen there is a very real popssibility the calibre of our following will increase. You do this in any other filed and the rsults are on scoreboards al lover history..but please..feel free to dismiss this phenomenon as cliche !! Quite simply RR I dont think you get it..or simply choose to ignore what doesnt suit. Try as you may..many of us can read through that rubbish. We too have experience to fall on..and strangely it doesnt marry with yours. You under credit kids if you think its only about winning...or possibly some have limited exposure to more reaching values

Actually..on a serious note.. Anyone else notice a curiosity about the plans for this team? The AFL seem to be allowing a team to play games with a rather small spectating capacity. Seems to all but mirror the capacity of another ground I can think of !!!

I think its you who have miscontrued what maybe around you. Your experience may well be cynical children whose only attitude is win win win. Ive met and coached a lot of kids over the years, in a number of sports ( admittedly not for 4-5 years now ) that a blinkered approach to selecting a team was very removed from yours. Kids will develop a comraderie with people who put in effort. They are tangible..they are real. Suffice to say my experiences arent yours. Again if barracking was only about winning...hardly any of us would be here following Melbourne !!

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/stor...5001021,00.html Yes folks..read it here first the AFL is splurging at least 15 Million as part of its investment in a new complex at ..wait for it... ROOTY HILL now , not that I should ever be the one to cast aspersions...no not I !! ..but it does beg the question.. will the new team from Rooty Hill be known as the West Sydney . . . F@*%#rs ?????

more the point... we only follow winners?? seems 29,619 might disagree ???

seems to be a point lost on many !!

Hmm Green not playing... maybe not ALL guns !! and yet guns blazing doesnt necessarily equate to hitting targets !! :D

Kids may like winners at a distance..but they appreciate effort and involvement at close quarters !! Many a Brownlow winner wasnt in a winnng team..but had huge followings !! Dont underestimate the power of effort put it bearing dividends. Whos talking of old photos ?? irrelevent.

anyone know what sort of money he's on ? ( Meesen )

He probably does have a niggle of some description..Nothing underhand in that...no sireee. Would it be improper to suggest we coulndt be opportunistic about it ?? yes.. definitely rest him this week.. might need a follow up , cautionary rest in about...ooh I dont know..say..maybe 4 games after that !!

EGADS !!!! you're not suggesting ..........................

lets not gamble here.. rest of the season to be Sure to be SURE !! ( let the games commnence )

certainly will given we will in all likely hood finish 15th then our first pick isnt too far out of the known. That we will also likley have picks 18 and/or 21 then this part of the bunch becomes very interesting..VERY !!

It is a longer term stance..for sure. If we only ever barracked for winners.. be very little then. What about the ppl who havent grown up yet?? thats the whole point..You want to grwo junior memberships.. to get involved with the kids. based on what exactly.. wide sweeping.. interested how you formulate such a view. so what.. the relevance of Casey...is to Casey !! and its environs...which at last look arre quite substantive. We can't 'focus' on everyone but we can make efforts at some territories.

again ..this is why its SO important to finish as low as poss.. to be able to use the PSD without paying extra in trade picks