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Obviously Brisbane dont think he is

Hmm Leigh Mathews is guess how tall ? Who here would NOT have had him in your side ? Jack..Leigh...Jack....Leigh......hmmm

I understand thesentimentbut you suppose there is an option. Theres none. You cant defer Viney and expect him to be available. It wont work like that. My understanding is its this year now or never for F/S.. next time he is just another draftee...Older, stronger , more experienced and even more attractive to other teams.Where you get HARD is in your resolve to get the best picks, the best trades , the best value for the club. Tilting at windmills is for the romantic.

I actually think you maybe UNDERESTIMATING the effect of a Viney in our midfield. Hes not the panacea to all things crook Ill acknowledge that . Hes no instant Judd etc. But he has Cohunas by all accounts. He just might be a more talented and footy smart version of Grinter ( no offence Rod..lol ) .. by this I mean... See ball get ball, destroy all in way... See wall of opposition...take wall apart. Now hes sure to come unstuck at times. He has some growing to do, but his MINDSET is already there in concrete. He WILLS himslef to succeed. Gee...now think of that as beiing infectious amongst an at times lethargic, ho hum group.. !!! Ive played on teams, footy and baskball where you have a live wire or two ( we just amicably refered to them as f%*#ing nutcases !! ) and there go get it , keep on , keep at it attitude just permeated through the team. You lifted. You couldnt in all decency let them carry the load ( not that I didnt try anyways ) but you really felt the vibe. Beamer sort of does it, but without the added layer of real vision and timing. Jonesy is close in a fashion, a littel more polished than I had beleived, but he cant do it by himslef. Get a merry band of nutcase musketeers marauding the midfiled and giving drive to an engine that seems in perpetual stall and just watch the Demons blossom. when WE are the team that goes bang nbang out of the middle goal !! watch the change in game dynamics. Now Viney wont do this all by himself. A likely lad such as Boak or similar to show the way is needed. Who else notes how often more than a handful of Demons just seem to be standing there,.Are they waiting for a bus ?? ffs. Theres no sense of urgency often and thats a team thing. You need players who take on games. They act as catalysts. I absolutely beleive that Viney will be one such catalyst. Not the team cure in himself... but a moving prototype of what is required. Get him..play him.... in 2013....simple as

I dont know that we are 'stuck' with as many as some suspect.Like many id probably love to swap out about 11-12..... but I really cant see why , with some deliberate efforts at trade week together with the draft(s) we cant get 8-9 new faces at the club. We're never going to fix all our ills in one fell swoop but we can make a serious inroad there. Much will depend upon how much patience has been exhausted come seasons end.

surely its.....4 2 6 !!!

Sorry I really cant buy this. It sounds all marvellous onpaper and thats the intrinsic problem about much thinking that constantly suggest this or that as some idea of maybe oneday having a really good team...on paper. Its the munyana theory.. That is One day, not today, but a day real soon , all the planets will align and we will have this player and that one and we will finally have our perfect team...on paper. It perpetuates the myth of fields being greener on the other side of the day etc. It for miine supposes its some sort of game of 'collecting' players, not building a team You win games by bringing together talented and able players who have ability and expereince and the nouse to play a game as directed by the coach but intepreted along with natural inclinations...translation...footy smarts. So many keep living in some for of 'tomorrowism" That it will always be better some day off in the future because we will have this pick and that one, and we will have SO much potential that surely we must succeed. People, its about NOW. We are here now, the coach and players are here now. They arent doing too crash hot but the improvement and selecting is happening now. We need to take Viney ( or someone ) at seasons end and meld them into a growing Melbourne team, we need to add into that mix another distinct talent via a high draft pick ( but acknowledge they proabbaly wont do much for another year) we nnned to go find a couple lof ready mades to plug holes in the team for the coming year(s). We cant keep thinking in terms of a year or two, that these players will come on in a year or two etc . If a perpetual tomorrow is the goal line then I fear we wil never reach it. Viney , should he be picked and I hope he is , needs to be in a Melbourne jumper NEXT year. he needs some games at AFL level in him next year. This allows us to grow NOW...not the year after or the year after that. Theres still thsi idea of having your cake and eating it too. . We as a club just need to be satisfied we got the picks we did and make the best of those. But do it in a fashion which results in distinct and noticable improvements right away Viney may well play a game or two in the magoos next year but his progress and development will only be stunted and delayed by playing him there all year.

MFCSS alert

you had me at this !!!!

time to shut this one me thinks.. lots of other places to discuss the various actual themes.

not a silly idea actually. Though people would still have to read it....and comprehend. Might be a lot to ask !! lol

so youre crediting the AFL with having had marbles ??

And we move on

take a stab !! Lol

I still reckon kicjing to posession far outweighs high balls knocked over the boundary. In one instance you HAVE the ball and options ahead. In the other your HAVE stopped play, killed momentum and given them time to man up and structure before a throw in which is 50-50. Seems dumb at best and defeatist at worst.

no you were slammed for being johnny come late ( by about) 9 months to a subject that had little relevance to the current siuation and thrrefore timeframe. But you have every right to voice it. As do we.

Forrest Gump would probably have the right retort for all this.

I dont think so rpfc. Mid 1st round is more than anyone will give up.

Yep

Fair comment but im still from the school that suggests kicking more positvely to a beeter positioned team mate offers even more upside. Silly i know.

yep. Some expected overnight success .....others are more realistic

The MFC obvoiusly seeks wisdom from this forum in all its dealings lol In reality itjust seemed a logical path especially given last years dealings .

With some added grunt to the middle and more games in legs id expect confidence in ability to play the bosses game to increase. Against the giants there were signs that a game wss evolving . Id be expecting our clearance ability to get better. We lose first use against much better teams. Kills us. Id be hoping Mitch wont be such a lone gun in 2013. Neeld has alluded Hell be looking for some rsady made likely (underappreciated at other clubs ) types to plug a gap or two. List cloggers and game day spuds to have been moved on.The pressure to keep a spot may encourage greater outputs !! All fhat and simply the club will be year more experienced with its personel. We wont be perfect but should be much better .

We WILL be noticably different next year.