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I think expecting the bare minimum as a membership holder is pretty fair.

People talk about our gameplan mainly from a ball movement view but things are seriously falling down from a defensive point of view as well. The moment the game starts, the uncontested possession differential grows and grows in favour of the opposition. You can put it down to fitness late in the game but in the first 5 minutes? We tighten this up in the third quarter and surprised surprise get back in the match. We start the last quarter with Essendon on top again in uncontested possessions and the match is gone. This statistic is 100% synonymous with opposition scores at the moment and is our kryptonite so if it isn't by design what can we do to stop it?

Would be nice to see him tried out there at some point. See what we have.

I'm not talking about this every week. Wouldn't waste my energy

Great more problems. I'm trying to run a business here which is that business of my own sanity on a weekend and these things are like inconvenient employees coming to me with problems. I have problems of my own.

Bet you guys didn't see this coming.

I think you are dead right. He's had a fair burden on his shoulders these last few years dealing with all sorts of rumours and ridiculous behaviour from players. He's one man and he's given his all. I don't know who the ideal candidate is but I think Max has done his share.

At least it's happened now I guess.

It's a fair question Rjay, I just genuinely don't know the answer either way. There's always been such an unknown about how our election processes work and maybe we do now have a higher level of input than we think. It's difficult because the ones who are voting conciously do it with the trust that they will do the right thing. Maybe demanding change does indeed start with sticking your neck out and voting differently? Who knows

Entrecote was the first time the culture stuff came to a head for me and it really shone a light into the thought process some of our players had. A work hard/play hard mentality which isn't always a bad thing when you're winning. We'll never know some of the stuff that happend off field in 2020 and 2021, fair to say it wasn't nothing, but is it the voter's fault? Honestly don't know.

Forget this. Seriously. Not even going to bother talking tactics and selection, we don't need band-aids we need surgery. But yeah I'll be there.

I constantly ask this question on how you sell hope to the fans and convince them to keep turning up in Season 2025 as there is a long way to go and no first round pick next year. People pay good money in a cost of living crisis and have competing priorities with work/family and other stuff. No-one can provide a decent answer and without a CEO, permanent ppresident and long term coach currently, I don't think the club can either.

You know what really gets me? Watching a bit of Footy Classified and seeing Jimmy Bartel analysing our problems. There was the briefest of brief stories of us talking to him late last year to join in some capacity and then just fizzling out. I would have loved someone like him on the staff. I sat there watching this show thinking 'Why are you talking about this on a TV show?' We needed a very good and experienced addition to the coaching staff particularly in the middle. I think Nathan Jones was a naive move at the time. I don't believe you can go straight from nothing to line coach anymore.

Different times. Went to the game then saw Orb at the Forum when they were doing fully seated gigs because of COVID.

I want the people who always complain when we don't get enough credit to also complain when we don't get enough stick

Agree but my point still remains. Can't expect to be a pressure team if uncontested marks are the order of the game.

One thing I'll say about the pressure rating, it's bloody hard to get a good one when you let the opposition run around taking uncontested marks all the time.

How do you sell hope when you are 0-5 and beaten by the team who has your first pick? I'm kind of gobsmacked that no-one around here is talking about this. We have no CEO, a temporary president, a coach who has his head on the block and we're just assuming people are gonna keep fronting up to games? For what? The same garbage week after week with no direction? I'm looking forward to next week when someone posts about the crowds being terrible like it's some massive surprise and how terrible our fans are. What is the vision MFC? What is the identity and what do we stand for? I haven't once bashed the love and commitment stuff, I actually get sick of media taking things that Goodwin says and run them as year long stories. However, we don't look like a team that plays with love and connection. As for the game, why not just watch a video of the last 4 games spliced together because it was exactly the same game. We turn up fir the bounce, don't lay a tackle for 5 minutes, et the uncontested possesion count balloon out with the oppo 2 or 3 times as many as us and fail to gather cleanly or hit a target for a metre away. It it literally the worst block of football I've seen this club play since 2014-15. No idea the way out of it, we just need an ugly win. I don't care how we get it and I don't know the answers right now but clearly no-one at the club does either.

People have short attention spans these days El Diablo. Never underestimate how long an AFL season is. You've said you want Goodwin gone but whether he stays or goes it's a long, long slog to endure for any footy fan especially when you don't even have a first round pick to look forward to. People like us will be there regardless but we are the exception, the bulk of members are are like swinging voters with competing priorities. There's a heap of people I know on this forum with other responsibilities and I admire them for choosing footy over them but let's face it, there can be more to life than footy. Cost of living is through the roof, come seasons end there could be a lot of non renewals. You have to sell hope as a footy club somehow

I asked this question last week and I am going to ask it again. I understand why it probably didn't fit in with the show at the time, but it would be great to hear some discussion on it. At 0-5, how do you sell hope to a supporter base: - Some who have paid more than they ever have for their membership - After going bottom of the ladder outright -After the double whammy of losing to the team who has our first pick this year -After seemingly turning up each week this year giving up a load of uncontested marks and barely laying a tackle in the first 5 minutes ...that it is worth turning up to the football each week for the next 5 months? What is the selling point? We are grateful Melbourne fans for what we've achieved in recent years but we've also spent a lot of our lives as the butt of people's jokes, there is a hell of a long season to go and it could be quite a slog. The new week and fresh hope thing is wearing off, every game might as well be an extended video tape of the last. Many of us are going to go regardless because we are rusted on but we are notorious for bad crowds when the hope dies and I think we can expect a few of those to come. So guys, I know all three of you will keep going but to the people who are losing faith, what would make you want to go to MFC games week after week in 2025 from here on out?

If anyone says anything about effort or not giving up then I'm out. I just can't right now, 15 premiership players and we're handing out participation ribbons against teams who aren't going to play finals.

We would lead that stat this season

Max dropping that and then giving a limp soccer effort kind of bugged me I can't stand this BS where the umpire calls not 15 play on the moment the ball comes off the boot. How can you tell if you don't know where it's landing yet?

Max dropping that and then giving a limp soccer effort kind of bugged me

Well there you go