daisycutter

Billy, you're being a bit tough on JCB and reading too much into his comments He just made a point that Bruce has good fitness which is an important consideration for an ageing player He then emphasised that by pointing out he had a limited pre-season and also was able to finish off the season well Thats quite reasonable and relatively easy to understand I would have thought

the problem here is that when this option is given to the umpires, the number of questionable decisions increases. This has happened in other sports. Look at the number of run out decisions that get referred in cricket. Look at the number of tries in NRL that get referred. The umpires would increasingly take the "safe" option and refer decisions when there was only a tiny doubt. Not saying that there will be five or more referrals per game, but the number of questionable incidents will definitely increase as the pressure on the umpire increases and an alternative exists. Not to say it shouldn't be done, but your statement above is a bit optimistic

NO I'd just feel dirty if we traded anyone from the filth.

I'm not saying some of the designs, in as far as they can go aren't too bad. (yes. I've seen them) Its just that when you are restricted to about 80% white, you still inevitably end up with about 80% white. No design can get around that. Whats ridiculous (or ludicrous) about saying that? I thought it pretty obvious. (P.S. as we are stuck with a predominately white jumper for the moment, yes I am in favour of getting the best possible design out there, I have always said that. That will make me happier but not happy . . if you know what I mean)

Relax . . . I was only kidding you BTW, not taking sides, but I'm sure you did understand what he meant

4 characters and you had to edit it??? lift your game rpfc

I wouldn't suggest it nowadays, but I went to the 1966 Collingwood V St.Kilda GF without a ticket A mate and I scaled the fence/wall (IIRC between the old Northen stand and the old outer where it was lower) at about 3am Hid in the toilets of the outer until the U19's game started Had a great time, but was feeling pretty weary by the time the main event started True story

Good luck How's he off for socks and undies?

I wouldn't call having Fevola "good fortune" but, I think if you go through past threads you'll find plenty of hate for Carlton - they certainly deserve plenty

problem here is what video technology and which particular goal scoring errors are you trying to eliminate and how it would work its hard to vote on something without a little more definition for example just more visual angles, hot spot technology etc trying to determine if ball over line, off the boot, touched by opposition, hit post, correct side of post etc how is it referred eg goal umpire, central umpire, captains appeal . . . any time limits for resolution, no of appeals . . . also what happens if a blatant unseen free kick is identified when reviewing video? In NRL they also check for this sort of stuff too worth discussing more before voting

as long as that's good for the gander, I'm with you rpfc

Oh, and by the way, its pretty hard to come up with good designs when 80+% of the jumper has to be white Think about that one

Well lets drop all this carp about posters who don't want white being disrespectful of history/heritage/tradition/whatever yes, we wore all white jumpers for a few years in the beginning. I never said it wasn't a fact. So did all the other clubs playing then - there was no such thing as club jumpers then Thats why I don't think the "connection" is a strong one When we first looked at clash jumpers no-one said "lets go back to our heritage and add white" In fact our first clash jumper had no white It was the AFL who mandated white The arguments of invincible whites only came up then (after the use of white) We have never worn red+blue+white jumpers in our whole history (thats for Footscray) Yes I'm passionate about red and blue, it in our song FFS Yes I also don't like the current design I also don't like the sheer mass of white (the so called "predominately" white) Most of the clash jumpers all look much the same from a distance (a sea of white), so bland looking and so un-club looking Look, its just a POV OK, not a hanging offence. For those who like, or can live with the predominately white clash jumper then thats your right and I accept that as your POV even if I disagree, and, I don't criticize those on a personal basis I don't think there's much more to be said

you've entered the link wrong (descr is correct though) these are only jumpers since 1897 though (start of VFL)

Its a rather pathetic argument to criticize someone who doesn't want white in a clash jumper by accusing them of not respecting the history or heritage of the club. Personally, I take it as insult, and using this argument in a personal way is scraping the bottom of the barrel. I don't mind those whose POV is that white has some significance because of the link to "invincible whites". My POV is that is not a strong enough argument for me. That is just a personal POV, but those who turn it around and accuse people of ignoring or disrespecting history are guilty of playing the man and not the ball.

Thanks, all I could find was on wikipedia - "Melbourne Football Club" - pretty much what you said if anyone has more info re the "green", please post

Not me, I love the history. Throw out nothing. That we agree on Getting back to the green, did we actually wear any green on the jumper, or anywhere else. Would love some references to read.

RPFC, Seeing as how we are discussing "Heritage" and, as a purely whimsical comment You do realise that our "clash" jumper of red white and blue is the same colours as Collingwoods heritage colours, when they were known as Britannia prior to joing the then VFA (pre VFL). Does that boil your blood WYL?

Yeah, we've been here before My point about the "white" was that ALL the original clubs had all white jumpers, so what is MFC about that? But my point about not knowing what you are getting at was your following comment I don't agree with it, but not sure why you would make a point of saying that BTW, do you have any info links or more info to the red and green colours? I must have missed that . . . interesting. (Pity Vlad would consider green a dark colour)

Edit: sorry rpfc, this was not meant to be a reply to your post - finger problems Happy to give Bruce a 1 or 2 year contract His fitness should stand for 2 more years (one of his assets) With such a dearth of experienced players there is plenty of opportunities to get games into young players So what if he is not a part of a premiership team, others won't be either

Don't know what you are getting at here rpfc In the first decade (approx) of the MFC all the competing teams wore an all white(ish) "uniform" only distinguishable from each other by coloured caps. So white was no more a defining colour of the MFC than white is a defining colour of the Australian cricket team Or are you arguing for a return of the heritage red caps?

to be fair read the whole thread. there are 5 pages yes there are mixed comments, just like here. they do have a lot of pizzed supporters remember too that white is part of their colours anyway and to them its more a design issue and just not being able to wear their preferred home strip (esp as coll changed the back of their home strip to be the same as aints) So, slightly different issues they also don't have the same attachment having only won one flag in their tricolor anyway they are not a club with strong traditions like us can you imagine if the situation was reversed and coll had to change?

Yeah, they have their stooges there too, eh?

here's one WYL Saints fans outraged at clash jumper

Dunno where you looked old dee but I had a look and found plenty of comment. One thread went 5 pages (and growing) But yes, of course dees supporters are more passionate P.S. The Saints clash jumper still only has the Saints colours - would be worse for some other clubs The Red'n'Blue isn't everything, it's the only thing (apologies to Vince Lombardi)